Disappointing On Mcintosh......help


 3 Months ago  I went to NYC and stopped by the WOM  and auditioned several MCintosh gear...........and left a bit disappointed or not impressed...then I told myself   " lets give a second shot"  and went today to a  HIFI store and again Good room accoustics10K speakers , MC Preamp , MC Amplifier........ and again  the same disappointment I felt 3 month earlier.

Is that the "warm" sound people reffer to about Mcintosh?  
The sound is ample, base is powerfull  but the the sound is simply  not to clear, the hights are not too "crisp"  It sounds like the treble is set at 3 and needs to be adjusted at 9 or 10.
It seems like  the sound is  coming through a thin layer of paper ...that is the way I describe that sound.  

Then 20 minutes later I auditioned a Parasound A21+ and a JC5 and the sound was more clear and the highs were crispier

Whats your take on my experience?  or That is the MC "warm sound? 
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Main goal of McI is big power. They use Push Pull mode of tube amps, this mode cause sharp and metal sound, like in more PP brand. PP mode consist in output stage 2 big tubes in two shoulders, upper and down. Signal from preamp fase splitter   is divided to 2 /pos. and negat./. Positive goes to upper shoulder and negative - to down shoulder. Every time signal goes from pos. to neg. cross zero, that cause sharp and metal sound. Main + is big power.  In mode SE /single end/ signal is not divided and sound is warm!. IMO, I think HiEnd is in mode SE. Power is about 3 - 8 W, but if You use speakers with big sensitivity 94 and more dB, the sound is very loud, and is enough for big rooms, basements.......I listen only SE /my projects/ 2A3RCA, 6S4S, 6P31S, EL11 Telefunken, 300B. I dont like 6L6, EL34 that are used in guitar amps with sharp sound. I advice You look at SE amp and Hi sensitivity speakers.  
@vegasears...………………………………….

Excellent score on the C2500.  I paid $4100.00 for mine, used from Audio Classics.  If you think it sounds good with the McIntosh branded tubes (JJ), try a pair of the Gold Lion 12AX7 tubes in the line stage.  It will take the preamp to another level while retaining the wonderful McIntosh sound.
I find it amusing that all this talk about Macintosh being "warm" sounding and prefer brighter amps are some of the same people that will criticize klipsch for being too bright. I think too many people listen too much of opinions rather than listen to the equipment to make up their own minds.


@cydrone

3 Months ago I went to NYC and stopped by the WOM and auditioned several MCintosh gear...........and left a bit disappointed or not impressed...then I told myself " lets give a second shot" and went today to a HIFI store and again Good room accoustics10K speakers , MC Preamp , MC Amplifier........ and again the same disappointment I felt 3 month earlier.

Is that the "warm" sound people reffer to about Mcintosh?
The sound is ample, base is powerfull but the the sound is simply not to clear, the hights are not too "crisp" It sounds like the treble is set at 3 and needs to be adjusted at 9 or 10.
It seems like the sound is coming through a thin layer of paper ...that is the way I describe that sound.

Then 20 minutes later I auditioned a Parasound A21+ and a JC5 and the sound was more clear and the highs were crispier

Whats your take on my experience? or That is the MC "warm sound?

Were the Parasound components (removed and replaced) paired up with the exact same source, same speakers, same interconnect and speaker cables, in the exact same room and same location as the Macintosh preamp/amplifier for a true apples-to-apples comparison?