Develop a hierarchy for phono playback


I am hoping we can form a consensus on the relative importance of each element.  I will start by listing them in physical order starting at the record.

1. Cartridge

2.  Wires

3.  Arm

4.  Turntable

5.  Connecting cables

6.  Phono Stage

7.  Optional SUT and additional connecting cables

I thought about this two ways:  How might these elements be prioritized for someone just starting out?   Or, how might the elements be prioritized differently where cost is less important than best SQ?

billstevenson

@theflattire You can have the greatest TT/Cart ever but running it through a mediocre phono stage only gets you mediocre.

The same argument applies to each component further downstream until you get to the speakers (or hearing aids!) But what does it profit you to have great speakers with a lousy source?—you just hear well reproduced errors. And each step along the chain may magnify the errors it receives from above, so that by the time that signal gets to those speakers it is quite degraded. That's why I say the source is paramount.

But this assumes that all components are roughly equal in quality. The weakest link in the chain makes for a bottleneck, and if there is one, it should be addressed first. This year has seen me replace a cartridge, phono stage and pre-amp. Each made a difference, but you'll be glad to hear the biggest difference came with the phono stage. I'd say that was because its predecessor was letting the side down, not because a phono stage is automatically most important!

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Anyhow, more important than any of these is vibration control. If you want to consider that part of the turntable, then turntable is #1. SME's make it part of the solution, Rega's for sure, don't. Otherwise, see below.

No matter how good any of the other front end components are, they will sound lousy if the cartridge is not quietly, solidly in the groove.Then importance goes down the signal processing line....cartridge/arm which need to be matched properly (I include wiring with arm), phono stage (which needs to be matched with the cartridge), and lastly turntable is the least important, assuming it spins at the right speed. It shouldn't sound like anything. Included with the turntable is the mat. Weight/clamp are more important for warped records, but would be at the bottom of the list.

Percentages are a waste of time. Everything is important, and evenly matched levels (cart/arm/PS) make the most sense. A $500 cartridge on a $10K table? Come on. A $5000 cartridge on a $1000 table? Come on.

"No matter how good any of the other front end components are, they will sound lousy if the cartridge is not quietly, solidly in the groove." And what component is in charge of keeping the cartridge in the groove? The tonearm, of course.

"and lastly turntable is the least important, assuming it spins at the right speed. It shouldn't sound like anything."  Getting a turntable to sound like nothing makes choosing a turntable critically important, it seems to me.  Most choose their TT based on how it DOES sound, not how it doesn't sound, because it is so rare to identify a TT that is colorless.

"Percentages are a waste of time. Everything is important, and evenly matched levels (cart/arm/PS) make the most sense. A $500 cartridge on a $10K table? Come on. A $5000 cartridge on a $1000 table? Come on."  Is anyone else besides me confused by this paragraph? If percentages are a waste of time, and everything is important, then why not entertain the idea of a cost mismatch?

I apologize for seeming to pick on soko; almost any comment on this subject can be so dissected.

Hey @lewm - you didn't read the first paragraph.

"Anyhow, more important than any of these is vibration control. If you want to consider that part of the turntable, then turntable is #1." 

If you want to consider the tonearm as part of vibration control, then I guess it is number 2 in importance.

By process of elimination, cartridge/phono stage is least important, but still critically important.

If you are excluding vibration control (which is insane because it would include minimizing motor noise and drive rumble) it would then default to the signal process of cartridge (wire if you separate that out), phono stage, tonearm and then turntable (which we agree should have no sound).