Dealer affiliations and attitudes, assumptions and lack of respectful engagement in audio.


When I started in Audiogon 20 years ago it was a different  place. There was pretty civil discussions with fellow audiogoners. There were audio dealers on the site and there were also hobbyists and it wasn’t a big deal.  I been on the dealer side/business side the last 7 years. Here is what I find. A lot of us tend to be quickly negative and nasty to those who disagree with us. We don’t have the sharing of knowledge spirit that we used to have.  A lot of us want to show others how much smarter than we are than them. In addition to that there seems to be an attitude that if you are a dealer you gotta be shilling instead of just telling the truth. More importantly there seems to be an attitude that audio is the only thing you do. I have a firm in my professional life that I have ran for 25 years. I’m smart enough to know you never know who you are talking to. I just think audiogoners have repeatedly started to step over the line and become HABITUAL LINE STEPPERS and not engage with the necessary level of respect.  A lot of us in the hobby just want to meet and have positive audio and music experiences. Not rage debate! WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS EVERYONE? 

calvinj

It seems that when it gets nasty here, a lot of people resort to standard arguments or some variation on those themes. Avoiding these might be a good start:

1. You don’t hear what I hear because your system is crap, too cheap and not good enough to hear what I hear.” Sort of the audiophile equivalent of saying “your wife is ugly“. Spending more money doesn’t make you right.

2. you are wrong because you just spend a lot of money on equipment to show off so you are an audio fool. My $500 speakers outperform your $30,000 speakers, and I know this even if I’ve never heard your speakers. Spending less money, doesn’t make you right.

3. Any argument in which someone announces something is objectively the “best.” Tubes are the best, solid state is the best, this topology is the best, this brand is the best, this service is the best. I think there is no objective “best” In this hobby. What’s best to you may not be to me. It tends to be pretty subjective. It’s like saying I have tasted many ice cream flavors and have decades of experience tasting ice cream and Butter pecan is the best..  (Of course, all intelligent people know that butter pecan actually is the best)

4. If you don’t hear what I hear, it means your ears are not good enough.. We are blessed to have audiologists who can diagnose people they have never seen.

5. i’m right because I’ve been buying equipment for more decades than you have been buying equipment. To be sure, experience can be quite valuable. I really do Think it matters if there is some context for it to matter concerning the specific discussion. But longevity, in and of itself, isn’t the measure of accuracy. I’m a fan of the Pittsburgh Pirates, one of the oldest franchises in baseball. Don’t tell me the Pittsburgh Pirates know how to run a major league baseball team.

 Otherwise, all we need to do is find  a105 year old audiophile and refer all the difficult questions to him. 

6. Anybody that believes in measurements is an idiot because they don’t even listen to the music.

7. Anybody that isn’t guided solely by measurements is an idiot because they deny science. 

8. weighing in with a firm opinion about a product that you’ve never heard, or have only heard in passing.

9. responding to an inquiry with the assertion that the product which you just happen to sell is absolutely the best for that situation, even if your product was not the subject of the inquiry.

10. to me, this is the worst, and you see it occasionally. Somebody buys a brand new set of speakers, amp, whatever. They post about it with obvious pride. And then someone says, “oh, you should’ve bought this. Your choice is really not very good. Those are going to be too bright, too dull, too  whatever.“ Why in the world, would you want to step on someone’s joy?

 

if we avoided these sort of arguments, maybe we would be left with more civil discourse based on actual experiences and mutual respect. But that’s just my opinion, and I’m wrong all the time. I’m sure I’ve violated my own rules a time or two. Plus, it’s the Internet and anyone can say whatever they want.

For now.

if we avoided these sort of arguments, maybe we would be left with more civil discourse based on actual experiences and mutual respect. But that’s just my opinion, and I’m wrong all the time.

@kerrybh 

Not this time though. You nailed it right on the head!

 

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