Comparing Rythmik F12 and F12G: Which is Better for Music and Movies?

@deep_333 I would like to know your experience regarding the comparison between the Rythmik F12G and F18 subwoofers, particularly in terms of transient response and overall bass fluidity.

"Bass fluidity" is a bit of an ambiguous term...What kind of music do you listen to and do you currently have some subwoofer? If you do, try some of these tracks from different genres that favors a specific sub or not (when level matched).

 

Anything with some upright bass (whatever) like this track below, you may be happier with a F12G

Greentea peng - stuck in the middle

 

Yaeji - Drink i'm sipping on,  Favors F18

 

Massive Attack: Dissolved Girl  - Favors F18

 

Amaarae - Fancy, Favors F18

 

MC Ren - Mad Scientist, Favors F18

 

 

Composer, Hildur Guðnadóttir

Favors the F12G, if you have a couple of them

 

 

Composer: Johann Johannson , favors F18

 

Composer: Hans Zimmer, favors F12G

 

Thys - Charlatan, favors the F12G

 

Tuff London - 25 cents, a tie possibly, the 2 subs do something different (perceptually) on this track

 

Composer: Ludwig Goransson, favors F18

 

and so on......

(My opinion, of course....your opinion may differ)

I'm deliberating about the same choice.  I consulted with Enrico in Tech Support at Rythmik Audio.  He wrote that he would only recommend the F12G if you needed to crossover above 90 Hz.  Otherwise, he wrote that there was no difference in output or sound quality between the two.

Another point that I read elsewhere (can't verify) was that the F12G had a different, foam surround for the driver, possibly limiting its longevity.

Mark

 

OP I remember calling Rhytmik they are knowledgeable to address your question. Call them they know their product.F12 PEQ sealed sub Rhytmik is what I have. This is what they recommend.It pair well with my Andra Eggleston speakers.

@deep_333 I would like to know your experience regarding the comparison between the Rythmik F12G and F18 subwoofers, particularly in terms of transient response and overall bass fluidity.

My main focus lies in understanding how the Rythmik F12G compares to the F18 in terms of transient response and the fluidity of bass performance. Specifically, I am interested in determining which of the two models would be better suited for a 2-channel setup. I acknowledge that while the F18 boasts a lower frequency response due to its larger surface area and increased power, I am keen to discern any qualitative differences in sound between the two models. Thank you!

@soix I have had sealed SVS subs in the past. The dsp in SVS used to add a bit of delay (could also say the say about Elac or any sub with built-in dsp). This is a non-issue, of course, for someone who has a processor with the ability to delay the main speakers as well. For a purist rig with no such capability, it can come into play.

Otherwise, the "sealed" svs subs can offer similar output and extension for a slightly higher price ---> Rythmik, HSU, etc are manufacturer direct (no dealer’s cut to deal with) and SVS is not.... Again, a non-issue considering how much things typically cost in the world of audiophilia.

Having said that, SVS can’t get to the infrasonic pounding levels of say the Rythmik 18 inch, F18 (nor any other manufacturer i know of with just a sealed sub).

SVS subs seem to place more focus on spl, while you can perceive ’more’ texture, separation, detail, etc with Rythmik, primarily due to the servo controlled drivers that slam stop the driver on a dime. It is NOT a night and day difference (perceptually), but, it is definitely discernible in correctly set up rooms/rigs. If Rythmik didn’t have a restrictive patent, i get the feeling that a lot of manufacturers trying to come up with a "hifi" sub will go in that direction with servo control.

Rythmik is...perhaps for a more nit picky OCD dude. The vast majority of the audiophile masses probably couldn’t tell a difference (perceptually) between a properly integrated SVS and Rythmik.

 

@Soix this was around 8 years ago. I ran them together for years and occasionally would turn one off and run the other. Hard to say but I feel the 12G had more foundation, a greater stability, maybe went a little deeper but probably not. 

I know what you mean, people get worked up over subs just like they did their favorite cigarettes, with passion and vigor. The only subs I've kind of bad mouthed have been the lower end Rel. They are cheaper than the higher end line and just don't compare to the like of Rhythmic for the price point. 

I put both on the market at one point when I didn't need them and the 12G sold first. Ended up keeping the SVS but its rarely on.

@bjesien I’d be very interested in your more specific thoughts on the 12G vs. the SVS specifically for music. There are some here who I think have unfairly badmouthed SVS subs for music, and as Rhythmic subs are generally highly regarded for music your impressions and comparisons would be most interesting if you’d be willing to share. Also, and if you don’t mind me asking, what sub(s) did you graduate to after these (if any) and what were the improvements you experienced?  Thanks!

(My apologies to the OP for this little sidetrack)

I can vouch for the F12G and Rythmik. I purchased one along with the SVS3000. I kept them both for years before moving on. I'd say out of the 2 the F12G was better and more adjustable. The nice thing about the SVS however is they have an app that offers control on the fly, but FWIW I didn't use it much once it was set up the way I wanted it.

 

Good news: You should find that either will make you happy! The difference between the two is relatively minor.

I suggest going on the AVS Forum (for Rythmik Audio) and AudioCircle (for GR Research) and read what current owners of both models have to say about each.

If you want the lowest inertia drivers and a higher than 80-100Hz crossover frequency, another option is the Rythmik FM8, which features dual 8" woofers. Probably not optimum for movies, however.

 

I have two F12G, cabs filled with NoRez, and a Swiss Digital Fuse Box on each with a copper slug in the fuse holders. Epic bass for the money.

Get the music right and the HT will be fine. I’d go with the 12G no doubt.

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@thxbest, I use a combination of two F12Gs and two F18s in one of my rigs. Depending on the content that’s playing, I can switch back and forth or use both.

For music, there’s no real beating the F12G. The GR research open baffle sub could give the F12G a run for its money, but, the GR is also a bit of an eyesore (poor waf).

 

P..S.

I have a friend who has the dual opposed G22 and claims it is the best sub on earth (if it fits your budget). But, I have not tried that sub in my rig.

 

Get the music right and the HT will be fine.  I’d go with the 12G no doubt.