Welcome Learsfool,
Goody goody, some new music (to me) to look forward to exploring, i.e. Corigliano and Hindermith which I have never heard.
Learsfool, I agree re Strauss - Baumann's version has always been enough for me. As for Brahms, while I have a bunch of them I always seem to go to a Delos recording titled 'A Brahms/Schumann Soiree', a program which I thoroughly enjoy.
My modest contribution, based solely on my enjoyment, is Gliere's Horn Concerto which I have on a Chandos CD.
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I have been a great fan of Schumann since the 60’s when I first discovered Classical Music and also think his Konzertstuck is one of his finest . I was VERY lucky to hear Hermann Baumann play it with the Leipzig Gewandhauss under Masur . One of the greatest artists I have ever heard live ! As good as it gets .I also heard Corigliano’s Oboe Cnt . played by the Minnesota live on FM , and like everything he does , it is very good . I have wondered several times what happened to learsfool, esp. re this thread . I have no doubt that along with frogman and rvp he is the the best Musician on here .
My very favorite of all wind pieces is Carl Nielsen’s "Wind Quintet Op 43" . There is a wonderful recording on Nimbus with the Vienna Quintet which also has a fine Hindemith " Klein Kammermusik" .Nielsen’s " Clarinet Concerto" Op.57 is also very compelling, a fine recording with Frost and the Lahti Symphony is on BIS 1463 in very good sound as well .Nielsen, like Hindemith , is grossly underplayed ,at least in US .
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learsfool,
Indeed, welcome to the thread! It’s good to have you. I’m happy that you’re mentioning wind masterpieces. I’ve enjoyed most of the selections you’ve cited for years. I would really like to get a recently remastered copy of Brain’s Mozart. All I have now is a scratchy LP. A neglected wind work which I really enjoy is Corigliano’s Oboe Concerto. A brilliant work which explores the various incarnations of the instrument. Burt Lucarelli’s recording is the only version I know of. It’s probably still available, used, on Amazon. Again, welcome to the discussion. Hopefully, we’ll have more participants as we go along.
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learsfool brings up wind concertos and just this last week listened to multiple performances of the Copland Clarinet Concerto -- always a favorite. Was surprised by the fact that all three performances were superb. Rarely have I found a concerto that has received such splendid performances across the board. And from the original performance by the dedicatee Benny Goodman, this work seems to have inspired the best in its area. |
learsfool: Welcome to the thread and congratulations on being a professional on what is, assuredly, the most "unpredictable" of instruments. My favorite horn piece has always been the Schumann Konzertstuck and recently found a recording with natural horns by Gardiner and the ORR. Lots of power, needed for the natural horns that seem better at bombast than lyricism. Have also recently explored the Mozart/Karajan/Brain recording you mention and it is astonishingly good for the 50s. A tragedy that he died in a car accident at the height of his considerable fame. Keep us abreast of the horn recordings these days and, once again, WELCOME! |
I have just discovered the existence of this thread, which I see has been going for several months now! I am not on this site as much as I used to be. I hope that this thread survives as long as the jazz one has - certainly the discourse here is in general more informed and polite....rvpiano is to be commended for starting it!
Perhaps because I am a professional horn player, what I noticed as I just read through this entire thread is the lack of wind music mentioned in relation to strings and piano. Maybe Frogman will chime in and help me out here! Here are some recommendations for those of you who may be interested in some music for winds:
I'll start with Mozart, one of the greatest composers for winds. Of course the horn concerti - one cannot do better here than the classic performances by Dennis Brain, though of course there are several other good recordings. The clarinet concerto is also considered one of the greatest concertos ever written for any instrument. The Gran Partita became more widely known after the movie Amadeus came out, and there is plenty of fantastic music for winds in Mozarts output. There are many good recordings out there - back in the day the London Wind Soloists put out a good set, as did the Academy of St. Martin in the Fields, and there are other good sets as well. I have always said if I could form any chamber ensemble I wanted, it would be a wind octet. So much fantastic music for this ensemble, much of it by Mozart, including arrangements of most of his operas.
Of course, one cannot mention wind music without including Richard Strauss. His horn concerti are amazing - try Hermann Baumann in this repertoire. Also included on the LP was the Weber Concertino -Weber was another great writer of wind music, especially for the clarinet. But Strauss also wrote much great wind music patterned after Mozart, big serenades. The Happy Workshop is a good one. The old Netherlands Wind Ensemble was a great group that recording much of the chamber music I have mentioned.
As far as music for brass goes, there is plenty. The old Philip Jones Brass Ensemble recorded a very great deal. And for schubert, I'll mention some Hindemith - his Concert Music for Strings Brass and Percussion is excellent, as well has his Symphony for Band - the greatest work every composed for that ensemble. I also cannot resist mentioning his Sonata for Four Horns, one of the greatest horn quartets ever composed. But of course everyone's favorite piece of horn chamber music would be the Brahms Trio.
I'll start there, hopefully this will spark some more discussion here!
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schubert, I’m not sure I understand the last sentence you wrote.
I admit his histrionics were distracting. But, as a musician, I thought he was among the greats
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Litton is a favorite of mine , seen him several times in Mpls . I’m not questioning the greatness of Bernstein , I just didn’t like his , in fact hated his, histrionically .
As a musician you can comment on this . I could not see how anyone could follow his MANY superfluous gestures and grimaces without studying tape on him 3 hours a day or rehearsing ten times the average .
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@#$&( Spell correction. That’s Andrew Litton!
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schubert,
Apropos of our conversation, I just randomly picked a fabulous recording I would probably not consciously have ever selected: Bernstein: Fancy Free, Age of Anxiety and Candide Overture with Andrew Liston on Virgin Classics. Wonderful performance and sound.
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Schubert,
It’s funny how just randomly picking something is like making a new discovery. I’ve been finding the same phenomenon this week in auditioning a new piece of equipment and ferreting out new facets of old recordings. It makes you listen to the musical message more closely.
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Schubert: The Bernstein recording of the Metamorphosis has always been my favorite and prefer it over Levi and other more recent offerings. |
rvp, I 've been using you method for last week , it really has improved mylistening fun !
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I’ve been ranting for decades that Hindemith is the most neglected of all the masters of the last century !The greatest recording of his Violin Concerto IMO is Oistrakh /LSO/ Horenstein . But to be honest I never cared for either Bernstein or Stern .Bernstein as a matter of taste, Stern I saw with the Cleveland and was very much let down .
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I’ve discovered a great way to deal with an intimidatingly large collection of CDs and records. It would take much longer time than I have on this earth to go through them all, so I’ve found a way to really enjoy the variety. What I do is, without looking, just reach blindly for a disc on the wall and, no matter what it is, play it through in its entirety. It’s amazing how enjoyable this is. Things which I would not ordinarily choose become currently viable. After all, I bought them for a reason. There’s no reason I shouldn’t like them! I found that when I conciously pick a selection, I’m very choosy, considering the sound quality far too often. This way, it’s like getting a new present all the time. Re-discovering wonderful performances I’d forgotten about (and, coincidentally, enjoying the sound quality for what it is, more than I would have if I had been searching for good sonics.) I highly recommend this procedure! |
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A new young Scandinavian conductor has really caught my eye called John Storgards, I have seen him live in Mahler's 2nd and 6th symphonies with BBC orchestras . he is very exciting and the dynamics are explosive so he is my favourite of the modern lads at the moment. Of the past conductors I have always loved Klemperer and Bernstein.EMI have just remastered Klemperer's reading of Das Lied von der Erde and they have made a superb job of it.
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During 2012 many Debussy recitals were played all over the world, but do you know who played the first all-Debussy recital ever?
Marcelle Meyer (1897-1958) was a major figure in the creation of new
music from her participation in Erik Satie’s Parade in 1917 until her
early death in 1958. She championed the works of Satie, Ravel, Debussy
and Stravinsky, as well as the French Group of Six composers (Les Six),
all of whom she knew personally. Her fluid phrasing, great dynamic range
and lovely tone are just three of the hallmarks of her rare and
individual playing.
“Marcelle
Meyer was, without a doubt, one of the most important pianists of the
20th century. She was a woman of tremendous influence. The favourite
pianist of Les Six, she is featured as the central figure in a portrait
of that group and Jean Cocteau by Jacques-Emile Blanche. She played the
private premiere of La Valse with Ravel at the other piano, and worked
with Debussy himself on his Préludes and gave the first ever all-Debussy
recital. When Stravinsky met her, he said, “Ah yes, Ravel spoke to me
about you,” and she subsequently performed in the premiere of Les Noces,
and Petroushka, without rehearsal and completely to the composer’s
satisfaction. Milhaud and Poulenc were among the many other composers
who respected her and with whom she performed. Given her involvement in
early 20th century piano music and her much admired playing, it seems
strange that, to date, no biography has been written about this
outstanding woman.”
– Mark Ainley
In her day Marcelle Meyer was the doyenne of French piano. Cortot
admired her and she performed with the likes of Ravel and Couperin. She
had a vast repertoire that extended from the Baroque to contemporary
composers like Stravinsky and she left a considerable recorded legacy.
In 2007 EMI released an absolutely complete edition of Marcelle
Meyer’s studio recordings, remastered from scratch, utilizing the best
possible source material and modern technology.
EMI France’s 17-CD set Marcelle Meyer: Ses Enregistrements 1925-1957 has elicited great recognition in the media and has won major music awards such as Dipasson d´Or in 2008.
Debussy, Ravel and Stravinsky
Marcelle Meyer met Debussy at the premiere performance of Erik
Satie’s Parade, for which she was the pianist. To give you an idea of
the production: the mise-en-scene was by Jean Cocteau, the sets were
painted by Picasso, and the choreography was by Leonide Massine, with
orchestra conducted by Ernest Ansermet – the 20-year-old Marcelle Meyer
was the pianist. Debussy was present at this event, which took place in
1917, just under a year before he died.
Meyer is said to have been coached by the ailing Debussy in how to
play his Preludes, and certainly her playing is unique in its
combination of impressionistic colours and timing. Meyer also studied
with Ricardo Viñes, who had premiered several of the composer’s works,
and she clearly had insight into his art. While she recorded the two
books of Debussy Preludes in 1957 – a recording that was unissued until
1989 – she (had previously) also committed three of them to disc in
1947, among them an incredible “La terrasse des audiences au claire de
lune” in which time seems to stand still. Hear Meyer play this Prelude
below followed by “L’isle Joyeuse”.
https://www.pianostreet.com/blog/articles/the-trusted-magician-of-the-parisian-avantgarde-5723/There is a lot of her on youtube.The EMI collection is available from Amazon. |
Any Marcelle Meyer fans here?
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The Biggs Rheinberger Concertos reissue Those of us who were organists in the 1970s fell in love with this LP on its release in 1973; it was a revelation at the time for its energy and compositional mastery. Then, the LP was pulled by Columbia on copyright objections by the Rheinberger family who had not been paid. My copy was loaned to a friend and never returned; but the memory lingered. So, when it was just re-issued as a SACD I got a copy ASAP. Have 4 other performances and they are all dreadful by comparison. This is kick-a** Rheinberger that will make you fall in love with his style, energy and compositional fluency. No 19th-century composer understood the romantic ideology and the pipe organ better. His sonatas are just as incredible. The Columbia Symphony is superb, Biggs is Biggs, and the recording is immediate and crystal clear. Yes, you might grouse about Bigg’s organ choice (more classical than romantic) and the brilliantly-miked orchestra that shouts in your face, but face it -- no other recording of these masterpieces has ever had the energy and connection with the 19th-century gestalt that Biggs and the Columbia Symphony pulled off in 1973. You might want to give it a listen...Presto got it to me fairly quickly. Oh, and BTW, if you've got a really, really, high end system you will find that blasting this SACD at concert levels is a memorable experience; the organ bass pedals will test your room out thoroughly.
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That description of the opening of the Beethoven Third Concerto (“a few chords....”) sounds like a description of the the opening of the Fourth Concerto. The Third concerto opens with a series of scales. |
I have been listening to
Anna Gourari, Russian pianist So far, two recordings:Visions Fugitive
"Visions fugitives, Gourari’s second ECM release, showcases the
intense beauty of her sound in Prokofiev’s title work, a set of 20
“fleeting visions” whose moods swing from lyrical to sardonic, grotesque
to calm, melancholy to boisterous, nostalgic to insistent, and back
again. The album also features Medtner’s “Fairy Tale in F minor”, from
one of his sets of skazki – tales of musical figments, of melodies and
harmonies, rhythmic profiles and altered chords, shapes and gestures and
atmospheres. Then there is Chopin’s “Sonata No. 3 in B minor”, which
encompasses not only a Beethoven-inspired opening movement but also a
Largo that’s like a funeral song, with a melodic poignancy that
justifies and even necessitates some extraordinary harmonic
progressions."
Desir"
The album “Désir”, released on Decca, presents works by Alexander Skryabin and Sofia Gubaidulina." I like her very much, my preferred sort of music.Description on her website and in wiki:
„She plays Beethoven’s third Piano Concerto with a rapt intensity.
Right at the beginning she achieves a small miracle … a few chords,
woven like a curtain about to go up on a quiet paradise in waiting. She
performs the piece with a restrained voice, as if telling a story. She
is reminiscent of the young Clara Haskil. This is how Anna Gourari won
the Clara Schumann Competition.“ Thus Die Zeit reported the final
concert of a competition in which Anna Gourari was awarded first prize
by a distinguished jury including Martha Argerich, Joachim Kaiser,
Vladimir Ashkenazy, Nelson Freire and Alexis Weissenberg, whom she had
won over by the power of her „almost mystical playing“. http://gourari.com/biography-en/ |
A follow-on to the Gorecki 3rd is difficult because even Gorecki didn't write much like it.
Some suggestions:
Hovhaness, Mysterious Mountain Vaughan Williams: Tallis Fantasia Feldman: Rothko Chapel Part: Fratres (ECM) Britten: Sea Interludes and Passacaglia
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and yes, I am big fan of
Nikolayeva, well aware of her closeness to Shostakovich.I have lots of her prizewinning Bach, also Beethoven, Schumann, Prokofievand of course the Shostakovich preludes and fugues (which you mention).
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I haven't heard this recording, or for that matter any of his recordings. My go to Preludes have been those by Tatiana Nikolayeva on Hyperion. I'll have to give his a try.
FWIW, another Shostakovich performance I really enjoy is his Aphorisms, op13, by Ashkenazy on Decca. Give ity a listen if you haven't already.
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Have you heard Alexander Melnikov?His Shostakovich Preludes are a treasure.He has also recorded on period instruments.Richter was his mentor (though not his teacher). Wiki says:"
Melnikov’s recording of the complete Preludes and Fugues by Shostakovich
was awarded the BBC Music Magazine Award, Choc de classica and the
Jahrespreis der Deutschen Schallplattenkritik. In 2011, it was also
named by the BBC Music Magazine as one of the “50 Greatest Recordings of
All Time.” Additionally, Melnikov’s discography features works by
Brahms, Rachmaninoff and Scriabin.
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Bought a couple of CD’s from Presto a couple of months ago without problems. Never have had a problem with them. |
Has anyone had the chance to listen to Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde in the classic reading by Klemperer and Fritz Wunderlich and Christa Ludwig,in a wonderfull remastering by EMI. Absolutely astounding and even for 1964 it has cleaned up beautifully. I don't think I have ever heard better. Also high on my list just now is, Francesco Piemontesi - Liszt Annees de Pelerinage Swiss Quite a young Swiss pianist with a beautifull singing tone almost reminds me of a young Murray Perrahia. Last year I had the pleasure of listening to him play Beethoven's Piano Concerto No 4 in my local town hall and it was really enjoyable.
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I’ve bought a lot of CDs from Presto Clsssical. Never had a problem. Delivery takes a little longer because it’s overseas.
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Has anyone ordered CDs from Presto Classical recently? Just tried to order the Sony reissue of Bigg's recording of the Rheinberger Organ Concertos (not available from Amazon) and am having problems. Won't go into specifics but would appreciate any information from others concerning this site/business: https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical. |
Had to go to Amazon uk.to get them.
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With that recommendation I simply have to get them! |
So I downloaded some Angelich, and like it very much.But there was a real gem in one of the downloads, i.e., Marietta Petkova.She plays the Rachmaninoff Preludes as well as anyone I ever heard.Here is a review from Amazon:
Before I
heard this remarkable recording, I had never even heard of Marietta
Petkova! She has made quite a few recording for the somewhat obscure
Doron and Challenge Classics labels, but not so much as a “whisper” of
her incredibly beautiful and felicitous touch, unforgettable mastery of
both pedaling and rubato and searing interpretive penetration have ever
reached me. I have heard no other recordings of the C-sharp minor,
B-flat minor, G major and B minor Preludes that have simply moved me to
tears and distraction as quickly and decisively as these have:
phenomenally gorgeous and other-worldly in every respect. That this
recording is not more widely known and appreciated is simply criminal
and speaks volumes about the true state of present “perks under the
table ” musical criticism and the “money and glamour first” recording
industry in general. I have now listened to these discs 5 times
through, with the greatest joy and satisfaction, and I cannot for my
life understand how such an incredibly and beautifully talented
Bulgarian pianist - gifted from above with musical intelligence and
insight the equal of (and even surpassing!) Richter, Ashkenazy and
Osborne – could come to be so neglected and even unappreciated? You
have my absolute assurance that one listen ALONE will suffice to lift
this improbably triumphant tour de force to the level of “first choice”
in your collection of illustrious Rachmaninov Prelude recordings. Wholeheartedly recommended! https://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninov-Etudes-Tableaux-Preludes-Sergei-Rachmaninoff/dp/B0000713BH |
Indeed , I heard her live here in Twin Cities recently in the very fine acoustics of the 350 seat hall at Macalester College.Hayden , Chopin and Schumann program . The lady was a powerhouse on the great Steinway at Macalester , lengthy standing ovation , she is the real deal .
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Many thanks for recommending Imogen Cooper. I was never a big fan of Schumann or Brahms, but her recordings are superb.
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newbee and schubertme tooi love radu lupu, have his complete decca compilation, it is 10 cds of beethoven, brahms, schubert and schumann also his 2 cds of great pianists series, which also includes grieg + some mozart that is included in some Perahia recordingsI am also a big fan of Maria Joao Pires, her chopin nocturnes are my fav, also love her Mozart Sonatas, as well as several Schubert recordingsincluding duets with Ricardo Castro, and her "great pianists" cds. Appreciate Moravek tooThe only Goode recording I have is Brahms clarinet sonata,
duet with Stolzman. Will have to look for more.
Angelich and Cooper are new to me, thanks for the tip
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There is no doubt the artist that brought you to a composer will always have a special place in your heart .
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Schubert, LOL, I've got a confession too. I'm not a newbie either. :-)
I have a few of Lupu's Schubert recordings which I really enjoy, but perhaps not so much as Richard Goode's recordings of his piano sonatas on Non-such. But that is probably only because I first listened to Schubert via Goode and he is one of my favorite Beethoven pianists. Go figure, old dog/new tricks, etc. |
newbee, I have my moniker because when I started to buy on here it seemed like I was the ONLY person on here that loved classical and I doubted anyone would have a clue . Bit embarrassed now that I had the gall to use the name of one of the greatest composers who ever lived . My favorite solo piano pieces are by Schubert, Brahms and Schumann .The latter two said that they were influenced by the former and you hear that in their music.There are so many great recordings of all three but to be honest, Radu Lupu is my go-to on all three ! With Imogen Cooper a close second on Schubert and Schumann and Nicholas Angelich and Ivan Moravek on Brahms .
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twoleftears, Re Boleros - Yep! Note in another thread there is a post by Granyring on the thread ’What used speakers rarely come up for sale to which I responded. Mine aren’t going anywhere. After 7 years they remain my eminent piece of audio gear. Interesting that they have outlasted most Silverline models yet you rarely see them used/for sale. They are for sale now (demo’s) for half of list on A-Gon. What the heck buy them unheard. If you want something that really is "musical - whatever the hell that is, :-), buy them unheard. At worst, they still look pretty.
Re Chopin - glad you have heard them and share my appreciation.
I do have Lupu’s Brahms, and I do like them, quite a bit in fact. I also greatly enjoy two volumes of Brahms solo piano music by Antonin Kubalek on Dorian. Some of the music duplicates Lupu’s but I wouldn’t be without them. I’ve got a lot(!) of Brahms piano music and chamber recordings but these two ’sets’ get nearly all of my attention. |
@newbee Do you still have your Boleros? (-: The KZ Chopin concertos have been my go-to for years. He floats the piano part in, as you say, a magically lyrical way. Do you have the Radu Lupu late Brahms piano pieces? If not, I'm 99% you'd really like them. |
Schubert, FWIW, mainly because your moniker suggests a special interest, a recording of some Schubert's music for solo piano that I can't resist listening to fairly often when I'm in the mood for Schubert, "Le Voyage Magnifique" by Maria Joao Pires on a DG CD. This is a two CD set which includes Impromptus D899, Impromptus D 935, and Drei Impromptus Aus Dem Nachlass D946.
For anyone who enjoys the Piano Concertos by Chopin, you must hear those by Krystian Zimerman, Carlo Giulini, and the LA Phil, on DG. The music is crystal clear and lyrical. Just beautiful to hear. These easily replace my long time favorites by Claudio Arrau.
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For the last month I’ve been listening to,almost exclusively, what I consider one of the least heard masterworks of the man I consider the greatest of all modern composers , Bela Bartok . .His "Mikrokosmos", which is a series of 153 progressive solo piano pieces written as a didactic work for the edification of his son much in the same manner as Bach did with his" Klavierbuchlien ", and IMO written at the same level . .I have all 153 on CD and half on LP all played either by Bartok himself or his student , friend and greatest interpreter, Gyorgy Sandor .I also have the entire 6 volumes of the scores which I study before I listen to a piece and try to follow as they play . I get perhaps 10% of what a trained musician does but I find , even at my level, getting even just a glance at what a great composer is trying to do increases my joy over the music greatly and gives me personal gratification at doing my best , weak as it is . The incisive rhythms and percussive tones while pushing the melody to its limits at the same time using systematic changes of register bring together the music of both Eastern and Western Europe in his unique way .Bartok is less concerned with supple fingering than introducing the mind and ear to the free rhythms , bold dissonances and complex harmonies he championed .
Much of the music is just plain beautiful and can just be listened to as that .Piece (97)" Notturno" has a tender melody that would make Schubert jealous and is in a perfect synthesis of diatonic and chromatic , to me right up there with any piano music I have ever heard .
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Now listening to Andrei Diev, piano, "The Fantasies"which includes Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin and SchumannsuperbFirst heard of Diev from his recordings of Scriabin in a huge collection (1.50 GB) that also includes Ashkenazy, Weissenberg, Richter, Barenboim conducting Chicago SO, and others. Also love his Rachmaninov Preludes, 1993 Rossijsky instrument, Moscow,produced by Sonopress GmbH GermanyDiev has a youtube channel, mostly Mozart https://www.youtube.com/user/AndreiDiev |
Now listening to Rameau keyboard suites, Angela Hewitt.So fine.In fact she is one of my favorites, so listenable.Faure, Back, Beethoven, Liszt, Chopin, Debussy, Couperin, Chabrier,Schumann + many duets and trios
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KING WMFE WSHU BBC3
If you download the TuneIn Radio app and type in “classical,” you should be able to find more. |
@schubert . Thanks for the post. Can you give me the call letters? Bluesound app doesn't seem to find them by name. B |
From Bluesound I don't know, but Classical Minnesota is very good as is Wisconsin Public Radio out of Madison .
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