Classical Music for Aficionados


I would like to start a thread, similar to Orpheus’ jazz site, for lovers of classical music.
I will list some of my favorite recordings, CDs as well as LP’s. While good sound is not a prime requisite, it will be a consideration.
  Classical music lovers please feel free to add to my lists.
Discussion of musical and recording issues will be welcome.

I’ll start with a list of CDs.  Records to follow in a later post.

Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique.  Chesky  — Royal Phil. Orch.  Freccia, conductor.
Mahler:  Des Knaben Wunderhorn.  Vanguard Classics — Vienna Festival Orch. Prohaska, conductor.
Prokofiev:  Scythian Suite et. al.  DG  — Chicago Symphony  Abbado, conductor.
Brahms: Symphony #1.  Chesky — London Symph. Orch.  Horenstein, conductor.
Stravinsky: L’Histoire du Soldat. HDTT — Ars Nova.  Mandell, conductor.
Rachmaninoff: Symphonic Dances. Analogue Productions. — Dallas Symph Orch. Johanos, cond.
Respighi: Roman Festivals et. al. Chesky — Royal Phil. Orch. Freccia, conductor.

All of the above happen to be great sounding recordings, but, as I said, sonics is not a prerequisite.


128x128rvpiano
I was asked to recommend a recording of Bach BWV 992, Capriccio on the Departure of the Most Beloved Brother

I replied that Angela Hewitt was my favorite, also Tatiana Nikolayeva, and Rudolph Serkin.
Who am I missing?
Yes Jeremy you are missing one that I really like , Nikolay Demidenko .
It is on the Hyperion Label in an arrangement by Busoni.
@schubert     Len, have you heard Olaffson's new recording of  Debussy and Rameau ?   It's a cracker, he has one of the most perfect techniques I have heard and he honed it immersed in Bach and I would love to hear him play the Goldberg's I bet he could give a visionary performance.
thanks Jim, thanks Schubert
Somehow i had never heard of Demidenko, and have not yet found his Bach Capricio, but your recommendation led me to several other of his recordings.  I especially like his Live at Wigmore Hall which includes some works unknown to me, e.g. Vorisek, Kalbrenner, Gubaidulina.
Not yet Jim , but I intend to Amazon it soon . I love Debussy and Rameau even more . I’ve don’t believe I ever heard a French composer
that I did not like , been neglecting them of late , were there only 300 years of life for Classical Afiicionados !


Je Ne Sais Quoi is not a empty phrase .
Just received set of 75 Bach cantatas conducted by Karl Richter on two Blu-ray discs in 24/192 resolution. Wonderful performances in crystal clear sound.
Extraordinary buy at $79.
@rvpiano Wow RV that's going to keep you busy during lockdown. I wish you well to enjoy them.
The cantatas are wonderful .If you are of a religious bent , fabulous .


If you have a good grasp of German as well , you listen to the greatest things ever written .
If anyone wants to help a old man cross the street, would someone(s)
explain to me what the Blue thing is and why it does what it does .
Thank you .
i’m not at all religious, but the cantatas are still very meaningful to me on a musical and spiritual level
I can’t stop listening to them.  They’re so well done on this recording that they’re addictive.
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Well rv , as a musician you can look at Bach’’s music far better than I .


As a Lutheran believer I can look far deeper into his mind, which more than any other time, is laid out in the Cantata’s .
Len (if I may call you that,)

I do believe you are right about your deeper insight..
I have always thought  that  Bach's counterpoint was the audible geometry of heart pulse...

When i was children i liked to rock the chair in synchrony with the night....I was in Bach music without knowing it....
I really do not know how I would have survived my childhood without Bach in my life. As I am now reaching my seventh decade I have to say that Bach is my anchor and I couldn't go through a day without listening to something of his and to bolster my spirit for the day ahead and if this is the day for me to depart I can go with my heart and soul ready because of listening to one of his soul cleansers. Jim.
Well said....Bach is one of the anchor of my life also.....

My best to you....
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rv , no matter where you go with Bach you end up on top.
My respect for you is great , we all have our reasons for what we are and are not .
You can call me whatever you want to .

If Churches have anything to to do with you not being religious I can
understand that . But I try to remember they are Hospitals for the sick not Temples for Saints .





Jim, you have written many good things on here but have topped yourself
this day .


I feel and do exactly what you do and say. I start nearly every morning with a Bach Cantata , yes for the beauty and for my love of the German language , but also what for St . Augustine said to Luther who said it to Bach .

"A Hymn well sung is a Prayer said twice ".


If I do get to Heaven , I am going to ask Jesus for a seat near you !If we pass on the same day, I ’l say " I’m with him".
                                  Albain gu brath
Leon Fleisher, 92, Dies; Spellbinding Pianist With One Hand or Two

Unable to use his right hand, he performed pieces written for left hand only, conducted and taught. After 30 years, he made a triumphant two-handed comeback.

By Allan Kozinn

  • Aug. 2, 2020, 7:43 p.m. ET

Leon Fleisher, a leading American pianist in the 1950s and early ’60s who was forced by an injury to his right hand to channel his career into conducting, teaching and mastering the left-hand repertoire, died on Sunday in a hospice in Baltimore. He was 92.

His death was confirmed by his son Julian, who said he was still teaching and conducting master classes as recently as last week.

Mr. Fleisher came to believe that his career-altering malady, focal dystonia, was caused by overpracticing — “seven or eight hours a day of pumping ivory,” as he told The New York Times in a 1996 interview — and for 30 years he tried virtually any cure that looked promising, including shots of lidocaine, rehabilitation therapy, psychotherapy, shock treatments, Rolfing and EST. At times, he later said, he was so despondent that he considered suicide.

But he also realized that the musicality and incisiveness that had been so widely admired in his early years could be mined in other ways. He had joined the faculty of the Peabody Conservatory, in Baltimore, in 1959, and he devoted himself more fully to teaching, both at Peabody and at the Tanglewood Music Center, where he was artistic director from 1986 to 1997.

He also made his way through the estimable catalog of works composed by Ravel, Prokofiev and many others for the pianist Paul Wittgenstein (the brother of the philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein), who lost his right arm during World War I, and commissioned new left-hand works from American composers. He helped start the Theater Chamber Players in Washington. And he began conducting.

Eventually, a combination of Rolfing — a deep massage technique — and Botox injections provided sufficient relief that he was able to resume his career as a two-handed pianist in 1995. He continued to play recitals and concertos, and to make recordings, until last year.

Mr. Fleisher often pointed out after his comeback that he was not, and never would be, fully cured. But he also acknowledged, late in life, that the incapacitation of his right hand in 1964 ultimately gave him a far more varied musical life than he might have had if he had been able to pursue a conventional career as a virtuoso pianist.

That realization is implicit in the title of his autobiography, “My Nine Lives: A Memoir of Many Careers in Music” (2010), which he wrote with the music critic Anne Midgette.

Early in his career, though, Mr. Fleisher was a commanding pianist who produced a warm, sharply etched and thoughtfully contoured sound that was ideally suited to 19th-century Viennese classics — Beethoven, Brahms and Schubert, most notably — but also yielded illuminating readings of Rachmaninoff, Debussy and Liszt, and of contemporary American composers like Roger Sessions (with whom he briefly studied music theory) and Aaron Copland.

Mr. Fleisher’s recordings of the Brahms and Beethoven piano concertos with George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra, made between 1958 and 1963, are still considered among the most vivid and moving accounts of those works.

In the 1990s, he recorded spellbinding performances of the peaks of the left-hand repertoire, including concertos by Ravel, Prokofiev and Britten, chamber music by Korngold and Schmidt, and solo works by Saint-Saëns, Godowsky and Bach (Brahms’s left-hand arrangement of the Chaconne from the Partita No. 2 for solo violin).

Even after he returned to recording two-hand works, on the albums “Two Hands” (2004) and “The Journey” (2006), he continued to revisit the left-hand works that had kept him going for three decades.

His album “All the Things You Are” (2014) included not only left-hand arrangements of Gershwin’s “The Man I Love” and the Jerome Kern song that gave the collection its name, but also pieces composed for Mr. Fleisher by George Perle and Leon Kirchner, and a deeply thoughtful, spacious reconsideration of the Bach-Brahms Chaconne.

Leon Fleisher was born in San Francisco on July 23, 1928, to Isidore and Bertha Fleisher. His parents, Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe — he was from Odessa, then in Russia, now in Ukraine; she was from Poland — each managed one of the family’s two hat shops.

An older brother, Raymond, was given piano lessons. He showed little interest in them, but when Raymond went out to play after his lessons, Leon, who was then 4 years old, would go to the piano and repeat, by ear, everything he had heard.

His mother soon decided that Leon, rather than Raymond, should study the instrument. She made her intentions for her younger son clear: He would either be the first Jewish president of the United States or he would be a concert pianist.

So devoted was his mother to his musical training that after two weeks of kindergarten, during which he objected strenuously to nap time, she withdrew him from public school and hired tutors so he could devote his time to practicing at the piano. She also found ways of bringing him to the attention of two important San Francisco conductors, Pierre Monteux and Alfred Hertz, who in turn persuaded the pianist Artur Schnabel to take Leon on as a student in 1938, when he was 9, despite his policy of not teaching children.

By the time Leon began working with Schnabel, he had already played a few concerts, but Schnabel’s single condition for teaching the boy was that there be no more concerts. Schnabel relaxed the rule in 1944 and allowed Mr. Fleisher to play the Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1 in D minor with Monteux and the San Francisco Symphony and then with the New York Philharmonic at Carnegie Hall, also with Monteux conducting.

Noel Strauss, reviewing the performance for The New York Times, wrote that Mr. Fleisher, making his New York debut, “scored heavily in the exacting work and at once established himself as one of the most remarkably gifted of the younger generation of American keyboard artists.”

In 1945, at Ravinia, Mr. Fleisher played the Brahms again — it quickly became one of his signature pieces — as well as the Liszt Concerto No. 2 in A, with Leonard Bernstein conducting the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. He also performed four concertos at Ravinia the next summer, under the direction of William Steinberg and Szell, who soon engaged Mr. Fleisher to perform with the Cleveland Orchestra, which he took over later that year.

By 1949, although he had played with many of the major American orchestras and had given recitals across the country, engagements began to dry up. Mr. Fleisher moved to Paris in 1950 and remained in Europe — relocating first to the Netherlands, then to Italy — until 1958.

In 1952, he became the first American to win the gold medal at the Queen Elisabeth Competition in Brussels. That victory included a substantial list of engagements in Europe; it also revived interest in Mr. Fleisher among American orchestras, managers and concert promoters.

When Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra were signed to a new recording contract with the Epic label in 1954, Szell invited Mr. Fleisher to be his go-to soloist for recordings of the great piano concertos.

Shortly after his return to the United States in the late 1950s, Mr. Fleisher accepted an offer to teach at the Peabody Conservatory, while also pursuing a hefty performing and recording schedule.

“I was driven, if anything, even harder by all of my successes,” he wrote in his memoir. “There was always more to attain, and more to achieve, and more musical depths to plumb, and lurking behind it all, the terrifying risk of failure.”

Failure was not far away. During the winter of 1963, he noticed what he described as laziness in his right index finger, as well as “a creeping numbness” in his right hand. By the summer, the fourth and fifth fingers of his right hand had begun to curl inward toward his palm.

The timing was disastrous. Mr. Fleisher had planned to celebrate the 20th anniversary of his New York debut with a busy season that included 20 performances in New York alone and a spring 1964 tour of the Soviet Union, in which he was to be the soloist in Mozart’s Concerto No. 25 in C (K. 503) with Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra.

Shortly before the tour, Mr. Fleisher performed the Mozart in Cleveland. Szell noted the strain Mr. Fleisher was under and told him that he did not feel he could undertake the tour. The pianist Grant Johannesen traveled with the orchestra instead.

“The initial problem was a very stupid kind of overwork,” Mr. Fleisher said in 1996, cautioning young pianists against following his path. “I see kids still falling into this, and there are many reasons for it. The perfection that they’re bombarded with from recordings. The kind of sound a Horowitz produced, which is wonderful, but people don’t realize that he had his technician work very hard on the piano, so the piano itself helped. So when kids go to an acoustically dead hall, and get a dead piano, and try to make these Horowitz kinds of sounds, they end up brutalizing themselves.”

Mr. Fleisher resisted taking up the left-hand repertoire, partly because he felt that to do so would be an admission that he would never regain the use of his right hand. But after two years without playing concerts, he reconsidered, agreeing to play both Ravel’s Concerto for the Left Hand and Benjamin Britten’s left-hand work “Diversions” with Seiji Ozawa and the Toronto Symphony in 1967.

The next year, with the pianist and composer Dina Koston, he started the Theater Chamber Players, a flexible chamber group meant to present both contemporary music and classics.

The ensemble — initially based at the Washington Theater Club, later at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History and ultimately at the Kennedy Center — provided an opportunity for Mr. Fleisher to both play and conduct. And an invitation to become music director of the Annapolis Symphony Orchestra in Maryland, a semiprofessional community group, gave him a chance to work on the symphonic repertoire.

Soon, Mr. Fleisher was guest-conducting around the country — his debut at the head of a professional orchestra took place at Lincoln Center's Mostly Mozart Festival in 1970 — and in 1973 he became associate conductor of the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra.

He held that post for only five years, but he maintained a close relationship with the orchestra thereafter. When the ensemble was preparing to inaugurate the new Joseph Meyerhoff Symphony Hall in 1982, its music director, Sergiu Comissiona, invited Mr. Fleisher to be the opening-night soloist.

Having recently had an operation to relieve carpal tunnel syndrome, Mr. Fleisher began to regain the use of his right hand, if only partly and inconsistently. But he felt he could make the jump back to two-handed playing, with the televised opening of Meyerhoff Hall as the occasion for his comeback.

In a bold moment, he told the orchestra that he would play Beethoven’s Fourth Piano Concerto. But as the occasion drew near, he decided to play Franck’s shorter and less pianistically exposed Symphonic Variations instead.

Most listeners thought the performance went well. But Mr. Fleisher was not satisfied. In his view, the amount of effort he expended working to control his right hand precluded the kind of interpretive depth he hoped for, and he dropped plans for a broader return to two-handed playing.

Shortly after the Baltimore performance, Mr. Fleisher married Katherine Jacobson, a pianist who had been one of his students at Peabody.

She survives him as do his children from his first marriage, to Dorothy Druzinsky Fleisher, Deborah Fleisher, Leah Fleisher and Richard; and his children from his second marriage, to Rikki Rosenthal, Paula Fleisher and Julian; and two grandchildren. Both of Mr. Fleisher’s earlier marriages ended in divorce.

In 1991, Mr. Fleisher found a doctor who was experimenting with Botox injections for injuries like his. At first he found that the injections loosened up his still-cramped fourth and fifth fingers, to the point where he could play. But the injections wore off, and Mr. Fleisher was still looking for a permanent cure.

Having tried Rolfing in the 1970s, he decided to try again in 1994. This time he had better results, and he found that a regimen of Rolfing and Botox injections was enough to keep him in playing trim.

As an experiment, he played Mozart’s Piano Concerto No. 12 (K. 414) with the Theater Chamber Players in April 1995, and with the Cleveland Orchestra and at Tanglewood shortly thereafter.

“Nothing felt sweeter,” he wrote in his memoir of those first performances, “than the feeling of those notes falling into place, the right hand singing, the left hand balancing it on the lower part of the keyboard, and the piece growing into something whole and complete, a dream become reality.”

Mr. Fleisher gradually reclaimed the repertoire he had been unable to play for more than three decades — but cautiously, building his recital programs with both two-hand and left-hand works, and playing programs of piano four-hand works with his wife.

He was made a Commander of the Order of Arts and Letters by the French government in 2006, and in 2007 he was a recipient of a Kennedy Center Honor. A film about his struggle with focal dystonia, “Two Hands,” directed by Nathaniel Kahn, was nominated for an Academy Award for best short documentary in 2006.

Toward the end of his life, Mr. Fleisher spoke about the level of despair he felt when he was unable to use his right hand. But, having regained that ability, he was also philosophical about the challenges life presents.

“There are forces out there,” he told The International Herald Tribune in 2007, “and if you keep yourself open to them, if you go along with them, there are wondrous surprises.”

Jack Kadden contributed reporting.


@squeek_king_77 
My 2 Bach go to recordings would be (and this would be no surprise to my friends here) The Goldberg Variations with Dershavina playing as I think she really does get into the bones of the piece. Also included in that selection would be Andras Schiff in his Decca 1980's one because of the sheer joy in his playing and interpretation.  
My next piece or correction , pieces would be the Partitas because between the major and minor pieces they are a microcosm of Bach and again two pianists because as different as they are I love both interpretations. My first is Murray Perahia who just seems to tick all the boxes for me. He uses a robust tone with the pedals used throughout and his decorations are beautifully done also . My second one would be Igor Levit playing them and it is a very exciting ride indeed with a technical ability second to none. 

@schubert
    Len my friend I would be honoured to stand beside you up there so to speak but let's make it a long time until it happens. 
Keep well and be safe,
Jim.

"Scotia forever"

@maghister       I thank you for your very kind words to me both here and in the Goldberg's thread.
Be Safe my friend .
Jim.


@jcazador    Jeremy I have just noticed your post about Fleisher.
                      My sympathies he was a first rate pianist who overcame a mountain of injuries. I will never forget a Ravel Concerto for the left hand on Radio 3 and it must have been in the 70's but I can still remember the elation I felt after it , Awesome !!
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All you Bach lovers, have you heard:
John Ogdon
Busoni Transcriptions
Toccata in C Major
Organ Chorale Preludes
Prelude and Fugue in Eflat Major
Toccata and FUgue in d minor
Chaconne
Fantasia contrappuntistica

alturus cd 9070(2)
Thanks for the suggestion...

Ogdon is the genius who can play the impossible and incredible opus clavicem ballisticum of Sorabji ( more than 4 hours) and he gives us the best version possible...

Then i will look for his Bach.... Thanks...

Dershavina and now Ogdon seems very interesting interpretation...

With Bach, and particularly with Bach  we never had too much interpretations or transcriptions...


Well Jim , it’s a happy day when I see Strathclyde took London Imperial
down in the BBC Uni challenge .

And a bad one when I see Sturgeon fair in tears as she watches the fools swally their lives away with the pubs opening .
Oh well , as my Gorbels Granny used to say (if memory serves ) ,

"It’s a lang road that’s no goat a turnin "
Cheers
@schubert      Gosh Len haven't watched uni challenge in years, I'm glad Strathclyde won though (I always gloat when the Sassenachs get cuffed) 
That quote was a new one on me.

@jcazador    I have a recording of Ogden doing the Fantasia Contraputistica and the Liszt B minor Sonata and although they have their merits I,m afraid Ogden was never the same after his psychotic incarcerations. He just never made any mistakes in his playing before them but after his playing was littered with fudged notes and memory slips. No he was never the same after that.
Jim, I saw your Bag Pipe advice and right you are .
I’m caught between being an old squatty and hating war .

Well , the 51st HD was the best example  of Scottish cannon fodder  in English Military History in both WW1 and WW II and this IS Classical Music .

https://youtu.be/_MBeVU4_oPI

As you said sometimes you are never the same .

@schubert     Yes Len the Jocks and the Micks were always the first into battle while the Sassenach generals sat in the
french chateau's drinking the cellar dry.
Aye , and a little known fact . In both WW 1 and WW II the Canadians
did better than ANY other allied troops .

I was astonished to learn the Canadians with a wee 3 Divisions were the "British" shock troops for last 2 years and never were a day off the line !
They took so many casualties the German soldiers would not shoot at any wounded Canadian trying to crawl back to their lines .The Ultimate respect from one soldier to another.
A nation with less than 8 million people put 600 , 000 men though its forces .


The iconic film any in WW II D-day film is British soldiers with great elan up and at them jumping into waist-deep water .



Only it is the Canadian 1st Division .
Needless to say many of the Canadians in both wars were Scottish immigrants .


Not only that but in the field of heroic action and superhuman one take a look at this real french canadian Rambo not the faked one ... :)

Too many heroic feats for only one movie....And too incredible to make a good movie.... Rambo need help of this man.... :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mtzJPGmwTA

In Italy the SS feared only the french canadians by the way...... You now have a clue why .... :) 

But back to music with this works of a 10 years old french canadian genius no one knows here like the "french Rambo" .... :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAh533yY-c
Most Americans don't know where Canada is and  if they did would
not believe they had an Army .
From Quebec to Louisiana, french canadians were there living with the Indians all across America in Colorado and Louisiana when american ancestors were coming on the east cost... :)

Spaniards were in California and Texas already and they were not living with the Indians at all...

By the way the first tribe, the Huron-Wendat, that welcome the french in quebec city lives nowadays at the same place....It seems they had survived relatively well....Where are the others in America?
Most Americans don’t know where Canada is
Who need to know where something is with a cell?

How old are you to use for no reason than memory your precious brain?

Man only need A.I , who gives a dam where the communists of america are?

:)

My cell just told me there are in Quebec  city now.... Health is free, and those who dont work have money even  without pandemic....

Ok back to Bach....

I will listen to Fournier cello  rendition, the only one that is on par with some  Starker version....
The Fournier is my favorite .


Your heart is more sensible if possible than your ears...

My best to you....
I’m a classical music lover who just found this thread, as I’ve come to the site over the years for hardware info. To get acquainted I went through a bunch of posts randomly. I see that there is a great love of solo piano music in these parts.

My own tastes run more toward orchestral music and I try to find recordings with sound quality good enough to let me fool myself to being back in a concert hall. At least excellent if not the VERY best performance and the same for the sound.

A few of the digital recordings that work for me are:

Shostakovich Symphony 15 Haitink LPO
Berlioz Romeo & Juliet Muti Philadelphia
Bach Brandenburghs Dunedin Consort
Ravel Daphnae & Chloe LSO
Mozart Requiem Savall
Chopin Ballades & Mazurkas Moravec
Mahler Wunderhorn Songs Norman Shirley-Quirk Haitink

I also watch the Berlin Phil’s digital site from time to time. There are some performances there that I think are are unmatched on recordings.

Finally, in my meanderings I saw that someone here was surprised to find himself in a not so good seat at Carnegie Hall. Has there been much talk in this thread about halls? As for Carnegie, I can tell you that there are many, many bad seats. The reasons are easy to figure out. I’ve been there a lot. It’s really overrated.


That Ravel recording is by Monteux, remastered version.  Sorry for the omission.
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As of late we have seen the light ,

https://youtu.be/CwGWocp80-o?t=2

https://youtu.be/DqZE54i-muE?t=4

If Bach was the only music in the Universe music  would still be Gods greatest gift to man .


Although I have sheet music on the way and have studied this ,
this is where  rv  has me  .
If you chose to  learn this you can you can be a great composer too !

https://youtu.be/iBB9UDpLfIA?t=2
I might have missed one or two retrograde inversions during the performance of the. chorus.
 Seriously , though, this mind must have come from a more advanced civilization than we have here on earth.