Thanks very much....

I just order it....

The franco flamish school is packed with geniuses indeed.... Dufay is great...

Josquin des Prez is without doubt one of the Greatest composers of all time .

I cannot concur enough....

I really have to say that for me the greatest 5th is Beethoven's ,i

You are right by the weight not only of genius but history, in spite of my defense of Bruckner 5.....

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This piece is  beautiful in any interpretation...

Amazing! Thanks it is a discovery for me....

This version is certainly hard to improved !

 

You are right about that, because geniuses are the one that pointed to the direction of love and freedom...it takes time but i am optimist even now in desesperate times...

my best to you....

I love Russian music but most of it was written in terrible times and made little to

the culture of Russia . Out of 350 millions in US perhaps 2 % even know Ives’s name .

I like music because it lifts me , Bach made me a different man but did nothing

to stop Hitler even though he got only 28% vote in Berlin .

The same is close to here , very close .

 

 

 

We can map the sound and the numbers in a different way...

Another one :

 

Is the "AUM" sound, folk sound or classical?

Sometimes something is deeply moving in a way impossible to understand...

Distinguishing is good but we must not separate and oppose what we distinguish in opposing directions, one presumed primitive the other presumed sophisticated...

At the end for the heart what is deep may be simple and sophisticated at the same time, because succeeding to move all heart together is not a simple feat at all...

Then the "ashokan farewell" is folk tune yes, but so powerfully beautiful that Bach could have used it also... Like all "perfect" work of art it is more at the end a mystery than a folk tune for me...

 

 

SAying that a duck is a duck is not the peak of knowledge...

Everybody know what a folk tune is...

And everybody know that some melodic line and simple harmony could be also deep music in a way we dont understand...

a duck is a duck only for walking unobservant distracted person...

No duck are like one another, even between ducks there is someting called individuality that pointed to somethink else about "ducks"...

 

Folk tune are not always only folk tune, they are sometimes key formula in esthetical and in spiritual experience...

The line between folk tune and classical music is not a THIN PERFECT line...

If it was so music would be not a so deep mystery....Ask Bartok...

By the way what i just said is almost common place not an "irrefutable point"..  because there is no arguing here save for you...

But a duck is duck is also a common place affirmation but a bit more superficial...

I will say it my way: all folk tune are not made equal, and all folk tune are not only simple folk tune thats all...

Life is a mystery not always a common place habit...

 

This folk tune interrogate most people by his beauty and reveal why the frontier between folk music and sophisticated music is not a common place ethnomusical matter only... Bartok thought so....

I apologize for precising my point here...

I go back into my hole....

Merry christmast to all....

The Fournier is my favorite .

Your heart is more sensible if possible than your ears...

My best to you....

From Quebec to Louisiana, french canadians were there living with the Indians all across America in Colorado and Louisiana when american ancestors were coming on the east cost... :)

Spaniards were in California and Texas already and they were not living with the Indians at all...

By the way the first tribe, the Huron-Wendat, that welcome the french in quebec city lives nowadays at the same place....It seems they had survived relatively well....Where are the others in America?

Franz Joseph Haydn
String Quartet Op. 71
The Griller String Quartet
Vanguard Classics

This interpretation is out of the race of comparison between less or more...

Heartfelt and moving....

Chopin Nocturnes with Hans Moravec, pianist with so "delicate" color control that God prefer this version...

To conclude I will only add that if Bach is  the first proof of the existence of God(dixit Emil Cioran) I will say that Nyiregyhazy playing is the second proof for me...

I apologize for my confusion Rvpiano.... For sure Ivan and not Hans Moravec that think robot will think in some days to come... For Ivan Moravec I had listen to all his cd, and he is in a class of his own, an aquarellist able to nuance with astounding singing perfection... If you compare any of his interpretation with any other great pianist you will hear his unique touch...He is equal to the greatest … You are right Newbee, we are in the same club...My best to you...

By the way another one of my idols is :

Ervin Nyiregyházi,he is perhaps the greatest pianist that ever be with Scriabin,Rachmaninoff,Liszt,Barrere,Sofronitsky,Moravec,Feinberg,Neuhaus and not many more...If you doubt it, read the letter that Schoenberg wrote to the young Klemperer, after listening a concert of him... I dont think that Schoenberg takes times to notice any pianist ,as great as it is, and write a raving piece about it, mostly when the pianist interpretation contradict his own esthetic like Nyiregyhasi; his letter begins in incredulity and ends in an extasy with an invitation for Klemperer to comes and listening to him...Then you will know that it is not my own single opinion...Listen to that and your heart will melt or open without limit.... Liszt indeed was a great great composer,it takes a Nyiregyhazi to play it...Manifestation of divinity at this level in the art of interpretation are rare indeed...I am in love with Liszt now more than ever, guess why?

He plays here Oberman valley of Liszt, in the slowest and the thunderous heartfelt version of this opus that exist on earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLk6vqaxU1Y&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_CLUPjzY3hqtkR1OBfPKOYY

Even Richter in the same piece cannot touch the stellar power of this god, any other pianist is truly at most only a giant compared to this god indeed...

I doubt that Schoenberg would had written about Arrau and ask  to Klemperer to cross the Atlantic ocean to listen to him...It is impossible to understand Nyiregyházi with the analytic brain and look for perfection...It is necessary to listen to the heart and the force of emotions...Nobody listen the same it seems...

Thanks for the suggestion...

Ogdon is the genius who can play the impossible and incredible opus clavicem ballisticum of Sorabji ( more than 4 hours) and he gives us the best version possible...

Then i will look for his Bach.... Thanks...

Dershavina and now Ogdon seems very interesting interpretation...

With Bach, and particularly with Bach  we never had too much interpretations or transcriptions...

My second best pianist.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izCfrtFuYAc

Most Americans don’t know where Canada is

Who need to know where something is with a cell?

How old are you to use for no reason than memory your precious brain?

Man only need A.I , who gives a dam where the communists of america are?

:)

My cell just told me there are in Quebec  city now.... Health is free, and those who dont work have money even  without pandemic....

Ok back to Bach....

I will listen to Fournier cello  rendition, the only one that is on par with some  Starker version....

 there are 4 albums of Mompou playing his own music, on the Ensayo and Brilliant labels. Available on streaming

Less refined playing than Volodos, but a more spontaneous direct and simple approach.... The 2 are the best possible....

A cd to dying for because of sound and interpretation in the "Tube Only" collection of Tacet :

https://www.amazon.ca/Vivaldi-Tacets-Four-Seasons-Tacet/dp/B019GLKZE4

Thanks! great choice...

There is a mystery Celibidache...

I will listen it...

Perahia in Mozart concertos is my favorite Perahia....
To be direct i must say that Pollini nerver touch my heart anywhere....

Dont forget Antonio Barbosa in the Mazurkas..... A natural and humility, and rythmical sense outstanding.... My 2 best Chopin with Moravec....

In the roots system of Chopin’s Tree, one of his root is Domenico Scarlatti sonatas.... If you want to know why? Listen to the Zacharias version in 3 cd.... Pure marvel....My best Scarlatti pianist....Zacharias has forgot the virtuoso side and will deepen the pure interiority....Chopin get it immediately for sure....For example so good is Pogorelich Scarlatti and it is for sure, i prefer the poetic playing of Zacharias...

When someone must or may listen the same cd a thousand times his requirement are very different than when someone gives a few listenings only.... I discover gladly something new, but my listening is made of 80% of ancient favorites players or works that i had listen to hundred or thousand times....i owned 8000 cd and files....Most i had listen 1 or 2 times only.... Some thousand times, for example Bach.... I dream each day to discover something i will be pleased and able to listen to without end like Bach clavier works.... The Moravec and Barbosa Chopin are on this level for me....

My criteria is not then, is this interpretation good, but is this interpretation able to please me till my death each day, or each week, or each month, or each year?  Because for sure we cannot listen to some works each day but only in some days and not other days... There exist many good interpretation of a work, but very few if not only one that will make you happy till death.....


:)

@mahgister  Hi I have been listening to Zacharias playing Scarlatti for a lot of the day on and off and have to say that I can see a lot of wonderful musicmaking there. The only thing I have to say is that he does play them quite literally with not a lot of feeling there but yes I can see why you are enamoured of them.
I have to pin my colours to another mast though, Mikhail Pletnev's accounts to me are quite literally poles apart with lots of colour injected and a blistering virtuoso technique.

Tough i love the poetic playing of Zacharias.... I credit your choice  for Pletnev....Poetry+ virtuoso tech. Probably one of the best on piano, if not the best..... Thanks....

He played the whole concert with not a finger out of place and some of the most perfect pianism I have ever seen , but cold as ice. Pity.

It was also my experience of him.....in cd....Not lived tough....Perfection is not enough...

« Imperfection is the peak»  René Char

i second you....

Between Perahia and Pollini, the first has some magical sparkle that the other has not.... 2 great artists tough for sure....

I am in my third hours of listening Bach Schiff playing and unable to go with any other files.... :)

Help me!

Each time i put this Schiff playing , i am trapped for 4 hours....

Proof that my embeddings audio system methods are at least minimally good because piano is very hard to make subtle with all his hues and shades of colors....

Or perhaps it is also the perfect recording of this cd.....If i want to keep some modesty..... :)

Bach clavier by Andras Schiff is a marvel of recoded engineering first and and interpretation second....

Barbirolli is a very great meastro indeed.... I am in love with his Mahler 5....

I listen now Bach organ opus.... I own already the excellent Hurford interpretation...But the most extraordinary one for me, outpassing any I know of and probably even those I dont know yet :) , is the out of this world hypnotic rendition by the blind master Walcha...Incredibly moving and a portal to the astral world...The density of his playing is balanced by a perfect rhythmic-pulsating integration of all parts that sound like all melodies are fluid letters of a superior hologram.... If miracles exist this is one... Other organists plays well, sound in some case may be better (the Walcha sound is good tough) but Walcha plays Bach like Bach wanted to plays himself for himself, it is no more organ, it is pure music....I dont like organ music particularly and generally, I now know why, after that all is trials and errors... :)

The beauty exhaled most of the times is so powerfully radiant that heaven is on earth and the Bach music is this sensible proof played by Bach or Walcha...No more needs of the distribution of primes to remind me of the universal spirit encompassing all... That says something, if you are not deaf indeed, and even if you are, listen, and wait for the miracle, it will happen .... I apologize for my rant, but it is difficult to be mere" rational" in the ecstasy of reason.... My best...


last remark: the marvellous choices of his organs does not explain or replace the perfection of his rendition and of his playing...The sound of these organs indeed only participate in the miracles for sure...In a word these instruments sounded like metal in fusion stasis, more liquid than crystallised, like most other organs...

Not only that but in the field of heroic action and superhuman one take a look at this real french canadian Rambo not the faked one ... :)

Too many heroic feats for only one movie....And too incredible to make a good movie.... Rambo need help of this man.... :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mtzJPGmwTA

In Italy the SS feared only the french canadians by the way...... You now have a clue why .... :) 

But back to music with this works of a 10 years old french canadian genius no one knows here like the "french Rambo" .... :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAh533yY-c

For the last weeks I listen to the Bach trio sonatas at the organ with Helmuth Walcha, by far the more spiritual interpretation of Bach, with the likes of cellist Fournier, violinist Henryk Szeryng and few others...

When I compare with Hurford, a good organist by all standard, I am way less moved... It is like the blind master summon his prolific god behind his hands.... My best...

Thanks Jazcador, you are very kind.....And someone else must read your post...I will concur with you....

But Sofronitsky is already my favorite pianist for Scriabin....

I listen to all great artists able to play Scriabin.... Like for Bach i enjoy all interpretation....

:)


But do you know also Boris Zukhov interpretation?

It is among the best....

I have always thought  that  Bach's counterpoint was the audible geometry of heart pulse...

When i was children i liked to rock the chair in synchrony with the night....I was in Bach music without knowing it....

Well said....Bach is one of the anchor of my life also.....

My best to you....

My favorite violin interpretation ever, not because he is the best violonist no more than the more perfect virtuoso... Not at all listen to Milstein and Heifetz for this...

Like said once the great poet Rene Char : "imperfection is the peak" ....

Disembodied static "perfection" is always UNDER embodied living "imperfection" like this Szeriyng interpretation here...

No other interpretation vehicle a so deep spiritual charge, it is no more simply violin playing here... Only a miracle... You can verify with another more sound perfected version by Szeryng in 1967 for Deutsch after this 1955 unique version... He is no more a match for himself anymore... I sold this 1967 version after one listen.... Miracle happen once...

This album is my violin love forever....We can sense the heart beat of spiritual respiration of a soul inhaling the cosmos...Is it music?  Embodied music of the sphere here , too intense to be only beautiful....Uniting body and world....Bach must have played like that or would have wanted be able to play like that....Bach for me is IN this work like the Fournier version of the cello opus for the same reason on par with one of the Starker version ( they are five beware)....

Ok the sound is not the best possible it is not so well balanced but so what? i discarded all other well recorded version, BECAUSE our RESPIRATION change listening this and i discovered listening this that we listen with our body then with our LUNG/heart not only with our ears....This is a YOGA lesson in the listening and playing art... Respiration as a cosmic fact...

Schopenhauer was right, music place us in the noumenal dimension of the world where there is no more a listening and a playing body, no mere an internal subjectivity in front of an objective world... Only one cosmic respiration like the AUM of the Indian cosmologist...

 

 

 

 

Frogman being a musician smile at me for sure, but being a wise one he know that even passive listener could experience music also as a spiritual embodied event...

Thank you jim559 for your kind words...

I forgot to thank

jim5559

For reminding me and us about this interpration....

I apologize for my passionnate embrace of ONE interpretation..

But when someone could discover that we listen ALWAYS in fact with our lung inhaling/exhilarating body participation is it not surprizing?

For me it was with this album i experienced it consciously for the first time in my life 35 five years ago....Dietrich-Fischer- Dieskau would had smile at me for sure and taught me a lesson about singing...Any playing jazz musicians sax or trumpeters would have smile at me too...

And what appear as a miracle for me is only an usual phenomenon for most musicians and singers...But i am only a listener...And many in audio thread are like i was anyway, they think that we listen only with our ears...

Merry christmast to you and to all

I like your post.... The most stubborn philosopher i ever read was a Polish genius : Wronski... Balzac wrote a complete novel about him : "the search for the absolute"...

😊😊😊😊😊

Wow! i never listened to this one...

Spoken words through music.... Thanks 

Joseph Szigeti has not the spritual embodied respiration of Szeryng, no one has anyway, he was not a virtusoso like the god Heifetz, his tone dont have the perfect transparency or sun-light quality of a Milstein or a Grumiaux...

But why a so powerful, expressive, sometimes " unclean" tone, tear our heart apart, when listening this Bach interpretation with a powerful rythmic constrasted almost unbalanced control like someone walking near an abyss, on par with the best violonist, but so personal that it was completely unheard before or after...Nobody among all violonist nowadays will dare to play like that in a so risky dance on one leg sometimes and near the fall....

Perhaps the less " perfect" of all versions i love, but one of the most expressive one and one which sound like a complete improvisation....

And this explain perhaps why : " In 1923 Ysaÿe set about composing his most extraordinary music: the Six Solo Violin Sonatas, op.27. It was a recital by Joseph Szigeti of Bach’ sonatas and partitas that set Ysaÿe on the path to composing these works."

«Imperfection is the peak» René Char

The Vanguard people like Japan with Ervin Nyiregyházi clean very well the old recording with the best possible audiophile sound mix...One of the less known great Bach interpretation...These two hungarian masters, one on violin the other on piano, had something in common in their "sound" and expressive movement, they never practice to be better they only play the more powerfully they could...Volcanos never study or practice before eruption...

At the end music is a complete mystery and any musician is unique and incomparable, but in love like in music we must chose one god, one wife, or one mistress, and many friends....

 

Mompou played by Mompou....

oups sometimes my head is nowhere to be seen....

Igor for sure.........But i guess you know him already...

:)

After Mompou discrete spiritual awakenings...

My beloved Scriabin by the great Michael Ponti, the recording alas! is not great but i listen to it with pleasure....(the recording is surprizingly better than it was in my improved audio system wow)

All piano of Scriabin for peanuts...

Scriabin and Bach are my gods.....

With Bach the emotions are reflected in an ideal mirror, and the soul is invited to be elevated freely to a higher dimension...Some angel gives to you his hand.....

With Scriabin the emotions are transmuted in more intense dynamical one and the soul is projected against his own will in a bath of never encountered new colors where man begins to discover himself greater than he is....(daimonic) Man is raped by an angel here.....

The Igor Zhukov version of Scriabin sonatas is one of the best there is....

He is only slightly under Sofronitsky for the sheer intensity, like all other pianists are, except a few, like Neuhaus another god....

:)

Wonderful article that explain what i listened to and why....Thanks frogman...

I understand better why i love him so much now WITHOUT being able to explain the shift from some perceived relative perfection and cleanliness in many other interpretations to the Szigeti spoken words in sentence where each word is destabilizing like a passionate love poem or like a discourse near an abyss before dying...

Thanks for this article so moving.... And now i can learn to listen to him in a new light....

This article confirm what i wrote: he never practice to reach a sound perfect for itself but he played like we speak to reach the more truthful articulation between "words"....

More than ever i think that this interpretation ressemble more of an improvisation and a volcanic eruption than to a beautiful perfect object...Like when someone speak we must read between the line to understand....And anyway human speech is too complex mystery to be understood completely in the deep , music is the same and linked to language like Szigeti taught it...Sometimes beauty only for itself deceived us but spoken words are always a window into the soul....

By the way i NEVER said that this interpretation was the BEST there is...

I said that i dont understand why this interpretation was so much powerful...

When we listen music like a child for the first time forgetting or putting aside our learned taste, we are ready then to open ourself to discovery...

There is no better at the end, only powerful suprizing meaninful new worlds of expression...

Music is not only object to be idolized for their perfection but gesture inviting us to a new kind of participation...

“For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror
which we are barely able to endure, and it amazes us so,
because it serenely disdains to destroy us.
Every angel is terrible.”

― Rainer Maria Rilke, Duino Elegies

 

 

« At a deep level every word and every chord is an angel»-Anonymus Smith

 

By the way jim you are absolutely right about practice...

All great musician practice, only a few one practise in their own way by playing

out of their comfort zone, improvizing like Szigeti and Miles Davis...

Some never practice but play each evening like Chet Baker who play minimalistic

like if it was his last  few words...

Ervin Nyiregyhazi play all day long from a very young age...In his mature years he practice no more and even did not  own a piano for decades...

No artist is the same...

But generally we must practice an art, save some few angel who are born with it...

I want to thank you very much to speak your mind, this is the RAREST quality possible and i admire your frank  and direct speaking...

I wish you and to all the best christmast possible in this impossible world

When I read of the past greats not practicing all I can think of is what a lot of missed opportunities to be even greater than what they were because of lack of practice. Milstein was an inveterate practicer who always said I owe it to my public to be at the top of my game because the people in the cheap seats have paid a lot of money ( to them ) to come and hear me. Heifetz was exactly the same , he also practiced a lot , even as an old man. When Segovia said the immortal words that John Williams was touched by the hand of God , Williams said he may have said that but he also told me to practice as if there was no time left in the world.

And dont laugh but i suggest to you against pain, some music designed to calm pain.... Only use the typewriter and the word " pain" calm or pain killer music, or any words about pain on "youtube channels".... Try the music that soothe you and you will see.... You must try some to chose the right one for you...With headphones sometimes it is better....Just try....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJRpoUk-mpU&t=338s

This one help me tremendously but with anxieties and panic attack....

When i feel bad i cannot listen to ANY music, except those designed to help....
How to listen to anything when your brain cannot relax? It is necessary to calm the brain.... Some sound and REPETITIVE frequencies can do that.... It is one of my discovery in my last years of music and audio research....


Music and sounds technology is way more powerful than people imagine.... And yes placebo work, but placebo work all time being constitutive of human feeling and perceptions...

I use music to calm physical anxiety and it works better than any heavy side effects medication...

Each music has his own sphere of action in the body tough.... Bach will not soothe a tooth pain, some gong and chimes frequencies will do for example....

My best to you and i wish you good health...