Class D amplifiers have very little phase shift


Too many diagrams to post here, so I just blogged it:

https://inatinear.blogspot.com/2020/02/class-d-amplifiers-do-not-have-horrible.html

The 20 degrees at 2 kHz argument is bunk.
erik_squires
Really, I posted on a very very narrow piece of data regarding Class D and already the anti-Class D people are here.
but that is horse chasing after barn doors are open, and there is always a better way.
Sorry, I can't make out what you're trying to say here.
True enough, Ralph, I get it, but that is horse chasing after barn doors are open, and there is always a better way.
the dynamic load of the drivers and crossover will cause massive changes in the impedance of the speaker system. The drivers shift all over the map, thousands of times per second.


Not really relevant and also, what does this even mean?
In a self oscillating class D amp, the feedback itself is used to correct phase shift. Its pretty effective in this regard.

But I've been listening to a class D amp with zero feedback, switching at a fairly low frequency (400KHz), with a rather conventional filter, and it does not sound like phase shift is a problem :)


The article at the link is correct. Understanding filter theory is really helpful in conversations like this. If only one party understands the theory though, its very difficult to make any progress.
Hmm all my Class D amps sound fabulous. Best ever ( I have 8 Class D amps that I know of in my house).
I guess this is one reason for that.

Can you guess I am a Class D fan?  
the dynamic load of the drivers and crossover will cause massive changes in the impedance of the speaker system. The drivers shift all over the map, thousands of times per second.

As high as a few hundred ohms, and as low as into almost negative numbers.

This is reacting against the Class D output filter.

This means the filter and the driver combination, is all over the map in their effectiveness of blocking or dealing with the amplifier’s output.

The trick is that the drivers are not static in their impedance value.

Which in turn, causes the effectiveness and the nature of the output filter to be all over the map.

If one measures with low values of signal and/or a sine wave, none of this real world stuff will be visible in the measurements.

I’m not taking umbrage with any side of the debate on sound quality, in this. I’m just noting the reality about the class D output filter shifting all over the map, thousands of times per second, in it’s basic effectiveness, in any real world scenario. almost as if the filter was designed in a static formula/static load scenario. Like a single frequency and wave shape of output and single unchanging load.

The real world is all over the map and dynamic as hell.

Thus, class D output filters as they stand today = Wrong. Incomplete. Not correct. I don't have a solution, but I did see the problem, in the very first few seconds where I saw a class D amplifier for the first time. I do have some ideas, though.