Bricasti M1 DAC vs PS Audio Direct Stream DAC


I own a PS Audio Direct Stream DAC that I like a lot but heard my friends system with the Bricasti M1 and I am strongly thinking of changing my DAC and would love your feedback from other members that have heard either or both. I know they are both great but really thinking of changing my Dac from PS Audio Direct Stream to the Bricasti M1 DAC. I use a HP Desk top computer as source with Jplay and JRiver Media 19 and the outstanding Tellurium Q BLACK DIAMOND Reference USB Cable. The rest of my system is below. I listen to Classic Rock, jazz, vocal, some modern music and the usual audiophile stuff.

Thanks

My system for reference.

Ascendo C-8 Renaissance Speakers (Germany) Monitor
Purist Audio Design Corvus Praesto Revision 2.5m Bi-Wire Speaker cable
Cardas Clear Interconnect 1 Meter RCA Interconnect
Darwin TRUTH Pure Silver Reference 1 Meter RCA Interconnect
Darwin TRUTH Pure Silver Reference 1 Meter RCA Interconnect
Audio Research REFERENCE 1 w/Rhodium IEC/NOS Tubes Tube preamp
Decware ZSTAGE External Triode Output StageTelefunken ECC801S
PS Audio Direct Stream DSD DAC w/ Bridge DA converter
Tellurium Q BLACK DIAMOND Reference USB Cable
PS Audio PerfectWave PowerBase Vibration Cancelation/AC Condtioner
Conrad Johnson Premier 12 Mono's 140 Watts Tung-Sol KT120's amps
PS Audio PowerPlant Premier AC Regenerator
BMI Shark Pure Jeweler Grade Platinum AC Power Cable
Sablon Audio Petite Corona 2.0M AC Power Cable
Mad Scientist PC-NEO with Power Purifier AC Power Cable
JPS Labs The Power AC+ 2M AC Power Cable
Synergistic Research Labs Tesla Series SE T1 AC Power Cable
Synergistic Research Labs Tesla Series T1 AC Power Cable
PS Audio Noise Harvester (5) Converts noise to light
OYAIDE RI Beryllium Power Outlets (2)
Hubbell Outlet 5362/5262 Deep Cryo Process
Blue Circle Audio The Yalu Balula Industrial Surge/Spike Protection
JPLAY v5.2 hi-end audio player turns PC into a digital transport.
JRiver Media Center 19 Music Software
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07-18-15: Coli

Hello,

Interesting input and thanks for sharing. I switched from the DirectStream to Bricasti but I loved my DirectStream and I had to spend to a lot more money to better it. I had owned the Ayre QB-9 before it and really liked that DAC but found the DirectStream was a big improvement. I must say now I bet if I had a better transport when I owned the DirectStream I bet I would have better appreciated it. The transport changes the DAC soooo much.

Do you like the DAC 2 better than the DirectStream??
Hi, I am evaluating the Benchmark DAC2 right now, I will also have a Metrum Pavane "soon"...
Another former Directstream owner here, I really don't have anything good to say about it.... Other than I owned it 5 months too long.
If I have learned anything on this thread, and I have learned a lot its that the Transport is so very important to how the DAC performs.

I have seen the performance of my Bricasti improve with every transport change / upgrade / tweak I have made.

I really had no idea of the true significance the transport's role plays with supporting the DAC until I started this thread and all you guys opened my eyes to it and educated me and gave me great idea's.

Take any two DAC's and the transport many times is the difference between them when heard in different systems.

That said the Bricasti with a nice Transport solution in a digital system that is nice and revealing is where its at for me.

I have learned a lot form this thread and I want to give back and offer some advice and show some of the things I have done that have worked great for me.

Here is some of the transport changes and improvements I have made that I am very happy with. These changes now has my system and my Bricasti performing at a very high level and I thought you guys may want read this. I certainly can highly recommend them...

I started with a computer as a transport and was using JRiver and added JPlay and then after I added the great USB Cable the Tellurium Q Black Diamond and that was a nice bump in SQ.

I then went with the SOtM SMS-100 Ethernet to USB unit and that was a nice bump in SQ.

I then went to a Audiophilleo AP2 and that was another nice bump in SQ.

Then I added the Audiophilleo Pure Power Battery pack to go with the AP2 that was a huge bump in SQ. HUGE... It actually blew my mind. It made my Bricasti so much better it was really an eye opener for me.

I was then running my Audiophilleo AP2 w/Pure Power Battery connected directly to the BNC input on my Bricasti because one of the benefits of the AP2 is there is no need for an extra Coax digital cable as it can connected directly to the DAC with no cable needed. My friend told me no way, not to do that. That a decent coax cable with be a nice improvement. Even though it can connect direct to the DAC a BNC to BNC digital coax cable will offer nice improvement because that will help attenuate the noise from the BNC Connectors. Sure enough he was right and here was another real nice bump in SQ. I went with the very reasonably priced Black Cat Silverstar 75 BNC to BNC digital coax cable and it is excellent in this application and offered definite SQ improvement and more than I would have ever thought.

The next step was to take it to another level. I now went with the versatile, evolving and ever improving Auralic Aries w/ dual Femto clocks and streamed via Ethernet from the files that are on my computer. So I ran my great Tellurium Q Black Diamond USB Cable from the USB out on the Auarelic Aries to my Audiophilleo AP2 w/Pure Power Battery. Then from my AP2 w/PP I ran my Black Cat Silverstar 75 Digital cable from the BNC out of the AP2 to my BNC in on my Bricasti. The combo of this Aries, TQ USB Cable, AP2 w/PP, BC-SS75 Coax to Bricasti has been very impressive and this transport solution is great and has made my Bricasti much better.

Oh but there is more. I bought a desktop HD computer monitor replacement power supply. The power supplies on computer monitor screens have very good filtration so as to not affect the pixel quality. I used this to power my FIO's internet modem and wireless router. This was another bump in SQ.

I realized streaming via Ethernet was not the way to go with the Auralic Aries after some reading. Too noisy even with the PS upgrade for modem/router. The Aeries has a USB out to connect to an external hard drive but there are 2 problems with this. 1.) if you use a self powered External Hard Drive the power of the hard drive will corrupt the usb bus and degrade SQ. Better solution but still not great is get an external hard drive powered by the 5V from the USB cable of the Aeries. Even though this is a better solution it is still not the ideal solution because the power from the Aeries liner power supply is not as clean as we would like it to be and that affects the sound from the External Hard Drive. Here is where a creative solution comes in that works great.

I ordered a custom made USB cable that splits the cable in two. One leg is for the 5V power and the other is for the Data that carries the delicate music file. I run the data files from the Solid State External Hard Drive and the power leg to unit that is made to re-charge cell phones via 5V cell phones. This will run the hard drive for hours and even when its plugged in and recharging its still super quiet.

I have clean battery power on both ends book ending the Auralic Aries. The Auralic Aries being wireless and offering many streaming options and being plastic for the wireless can by a little noisy and that is where AP2 w/pp takes up the slack and cleans that up nice. There maybe better streamers or servers out there but doubtful for this money. This is a genuine / high tech / high performing solution that works outstanding and pushed my DAC to a level that I didn't think was possible. The thing reflects clearly every little change or update I have made and hopefully it can help you too.

I just wanted to share this with you guys as it is our DAC thread and it has improved my digital performance 10 fold and if it can help you in one way or another than my taking the time to share all this was worth while. Just trying to help my other fellow digital comrades and as always comments, criticism and feedback are not only welcome they are solicited.




I went from a PS Audio Perfectwave DAC II to the PS Audio DSD to the Bricasti M1. Digital is moving at a fast pace and there is no doubt that there are better/different sounding DACs coming out every couple of months. Reading post have become part of the hobby and it's a joy to read about new components. It feels great to read and not want!
Rick, I have a Big 7 and all that is raved about the Yggy, choke regulation etc is old hat in the lampi. GG is same circuit with extreme parts. All that tweaking you speak of is basically stock in a Lampizator. Lampi is built by a tweaker, dont forget.

The DSD is unmatched in digital playback...go ask Bruce Borwn, or Elberoth...Hahaha

It totally destroyed the Hugo(and my own Qute EX). Until you hear one properly setup, you wont get it. Nevermind, I understand.
Have you seen the technology in the Yggy? Apparently not. This is one serious machine. Yes, it needs tweaking.....you could even put a Lampizator output stage on it (personally a fan of zero feedback class A fet buffers). The Golden Gate is in another whole price point. Bring over your "regular" Lampy and I bet it will be very scary....for the Lampizator owner, that is.

The sky is the limit for a modded Yggy. You have not heard anything yet!

The next great DAC will be obsolete in 6 months no matter what it is......I am sure the "DAVE" will be one great machine....it better be for that kind of money.
M1, DirectStream (Yale), Modded Yggy, GG, Overdrive SE, etc...

Will the upcoming Chord DAVE wipe them all out?

-Josh
Rick,

A fully broken in Golden Gate playing PCM and better still DSD...wouldnt be a fair fight, no matter what mods are in the Yggy. It would not be pretty.
As I said above.....my friend in Pocoima would love to A/B his modded Yggy with a Bricasti or a Yale DS DAC or other super DAC like an Empirical or Lampy. I can get you in touch with him....An A/B in the same place with both warmed up (he can leave his DAC at your place for a few day, even) will definitely tell us which does what. Anyone in SoCal want to play?
JH901, ask ALRainbow. He has 2 Lampi B7s (one is a Headdac) and a MSB Platinum stack and a DS. I think he plans to get a Golden Gate HeadDac in the future

I did read that he said Yale bested Pikes Peak!
The person who had the bone stock Yggy burned it in and A/Bed with the fully burned in MSB Analog DAC. He uses the top of the line Coincident speakers, preamp and amp and a bunch of $4700 Hi Fidelity cables.....a very revealing system.....he said the Yggy was just as detailed.....you don't believe him? I believe what you say about what you hear when you A/B. He has no agenda....he sold the Yggy because it was not as musical....but he would not try any of the mods that I suggested because he was to fearful. So far the stock Yggy has beaten all DACs it has been A/Bed with except that MSB and a $10,000 TotalDAC......but these guys did not listen to the simple but very transforming mods that my friend did to his Yggy and shown on my site. And these mods are just the beginning!!!!! But fear will keep most (99.9%) from doing these mods. Men are so stodgy....wish there were more woman in this game...they would be more experimental and open.

Anything can be modded to sound much, much better...Never saw a compenent that was as good as possible stock. I am not the only one who could do this.....there are lots of serious tweakers out there.

How do you know a Directstream will "blow the doors off" the stock Yggy let alone a modded one when you have never heard one......sounds like you are very, very scared. The fear of loss.....it runs us all. I prefer the "lets see what we can do with this to make it super" mode myself. A lot more fun!

Please give up the fear....enjoy the ride. If the modded Yggy turns out to be much better than the stock Bricasti then you could sell the Bricasti for much more than a modded Yggy would cost....then there is no loss....in fact, you would pocket some money. There is no end to this game....whatever product (especially digital) you covet today will eventually be yesterdays toy....."Who wants yesterdays papers?....who want yesterdays girl(DAC)?....no body in the world".....please sing along....dance too. Its all dust in the wind. We are eternal love. We are not our toys.....they are just tools to experience more love. The tools change....the love remains...always.
I heard the Bricasti M1 DAC a few months ago in a show room and I heard the Berkeley Reference DAC in a different show room. Two different systems. The Bricasti M1 was OK but I was impressed with the Berkeley Reference DAC. But now that PS Audio has come out with the Yale firmware for their DS DAC the gap is narrowed to such an extent that I would think twice and 3 times before jumping to a more expensive DAC.

PS Audio have done something exceptional with the Yale firmware. The 1.2.1 and 1.2.2 (Pike's Peak) FW pale in comparison. With Yale you have a whole new DAC at a superior performance level. PS Audio is planning at least one more firmware upgrade for the DS DAC.

As it now stands, the DS DAC is the best DAC value that I know of -- by a country mile. People have been dumping them on Audiogon in recent months. The DS needs 500 hours to break in. So, perhaps these folks were simply impatient, or perhaps the synergy was not there with their system. In any case, they did not wait for the Yale firmware. If DS DAC owners hang in there they will be handsomely rewarded, in my experience. IMO. FWIW.
Ricevs

I am sure you could make the Bricasti sound more toward your liking but " making it way, way better" I am not buying it.

There is a lot more going on at this level of product than just throwing some top shelf parts at it. I guarantee that!

Tweak the sound to work better with your speakers in your system sure but it is a very accurate DAC, well executed that sounds very good. Now I do believe many products can be improved with modding. I have seen it and done it and appreciate it and I don't doubt the Bricasti or any audio product can be improved with modding. Brian makes one of the best pro Reverbs on the planet for pro studios and he offers inexpensive upgrades frequently but he offers genuine, accurate, universal upgrades that sound and measure excellent. I can tell you that many people on this site spend more on power cables than on a Bricasti DAC and resale is not stopping these folks that I am sure of.

Regardless of what one guy said I will take the sound of the wonderful MSB Analog DAC 1,000 out of 1,000 times over any modded schiit DAC regardless...

Sorry but that company doesn't even beat out the better 2k to $3k DACs out there never mind the fabulous MSB Analog DAC... I get it your trying to get their name out there that's fine but let that DAC beat out the others in its price range first then talk about mods...I would find a deal on a nice and clean, used DirectStream for not that much more than one of these Schiits and it will Blow its Doors off!!!!
Thank you. I will try it. Pikes Peak is a bit too sharp and overly detailed for my tastes.

Neal
Yes, the Yale firmware is their latest and currently in beta testing. Anyone can download and try it. Most users feel it's their best yet, but of course there's never a unanimous opinion.
Sabai,

Is the Yale firmware more recent than Pikes Peak? hard to keep uop with PSA. Thanks.

Neal
The Yale FW upgrade for the PS Audio DS DAC bring the SQ to a very high level.
Hoping for some comparisons of YALE firmware upgrade for the DirectStream. Anyone think PS Audio will catch Bricasti or Lampi?

-Josh
No one does mods on anything over $1300.....the Oppo 105D is the only thing being modded by anyone. People are afraid of losing resale value. I could mod a Bricasti in many ways to make it way, way better.....no one would do it. NO ONE. This is what makes the Yggy so exciting. Already with a few mods it is way, way better. One guy thought that stock it was as detailed as the $11,500 MSB Analog DAC he had there that had the separate power supply and the latest 4X usb input option. He said the MSB stock was more musical.......but all the mods my friend did to the Yggy made it more detailed and at least half of them made it more musical.....this means it is now way more detailed than the MSB and probably as musical. And this is a $2300 product with a couple hundred dollars worth of mods.....this is pretty cool. However, getting anyone else to mod their Yggy is very, very hard. Fear of loss is what rules most people.....not finding out what is possible.
I am sure its a great sounding DAC. All their stuff at its price point is good stuff and they have the best name no doubt. Its funny though I have not heard much about anyone modding a Bricasti though? I think Brian did most of that himself...
My friend has modified Yggdrasil DAC and would love to A/B with a Bricasti. He is in Pocoima, CA. If you have a Bricasti he could bring his DAC over or visa versa. The Yggy modified is pretty killer......might be better than Bricasti. See post here for pics of mods....More mods coming. I will post more of his listening comments soon: http://www.tweakaudio.com/EVS-2/Schiit_mod.html
Psaudio has a new firmware for it i would not change until i heard the YALE firmware up grade
The original question asks about the Bricasti Bricasti Design Model 1 USB DAC.

I just found the Dagogo web site and a review of the Bricasti Design Model 1 USB DA. Dagogo states the following (this is an exact quote from the review in the quotes):

"I will start this review of the Bricasti Design Model 1 USB DAC by taking out all of the suspense. The M1 is one of the best DACs available on the market at any price. In fact, when used in the right system it is actually a bargain, since it allows you to eliminate a preamp. It also gives tweakers a huge range of filter options that adjust the sound. Finally, it’s a great looking piece of equipment that you’ll be proud to feature on your equipment stand. The M1 is so good that there is no need for a long review – there’s simply nothing in the way of a weakness. Any DAC that’s “better” is not better because of a shortcoming in the M1. Now that’s out of the way, let’s get to the details”.

"I actually cut an entire page of additional detail that I wrote about the Bricasti M1. After I reread the draft review it seemed like the additional information actually detracted from the main point: the Bricasti M1 is an elite DAC regardless of price. Instead, I was looking for an analogy outside the audiophile world. I came across a review of the Bricasti where the reviewer stated that “the M1 is an understated performer, one that doesn’t necessarily scream for attention.” I understand exactly what he meant, though I would add some clarification. The Bricasti M1 is “understated” in the sense that Jackie Robinson made baseball look easy and Stevie Ray Vaughn made playing blues guitar look easy. They may have made it look easy, but you knew you were in the presence of greatness. That’s the Bricasti M1".

See:

http://www.dagogo.com/bricasti-design-model-1-usb-dac-review

You might have to copy this link into your browser.
I love it I caught a rash when I stated I liked my Bricasti better than the new Lampi.
Wow Fsmith that's a big leap of faith! I do wish you the best it will be interesting to see what you think. I too just received my own Bricasti M1 and have to say it's the first time I now listen to digital, this coming from an analog guy. Yes I still feel analog sounds superior but now I can listen for hrs thru the M1 and not be fatigued. Can I ask why you didn't consider the Bricasti M28 amps? I heard them and even though I'm a tube guy thought they sounded wonderful. Am hoping to get to hear them for a longer time to see if it's something that may be an option.
Enjoy your new set-up and keep all posted.

(Dealer disclaimer)
Rather than pure pink noise, you might want to use the CASCADE burn-in track provided for free from TARA Labs.
Sbank

Thanks for the advice! Any idea where to get a pick noise download? That's a good idea!
Wow, Frank, you're a true fearless audio cliffdiver! That's quite a leap.

Great to know that amp/speaker match will have perfect synergy. Here's my advice:

1) Break-in: Resist the urge to judge anything until plenty of break-in time. Use pink noise on repeat overnights.
2) Setup: Take your time with room setup and read the archives to suggestions. Start w/manufs' advice and consider the setup calculations on Cardas website.
3) AFTER the get a feel for the rig & room, then try rolling the 6922s. Current production won't be near the level of many great options including pricey Tungsol 7308, the crisp Telefunkens, my value-fav the Amperex Bugle Boys, bargain Valvos & Tunsgrams, and others. Read Joe's Tube Lore: http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/d.pl?audio/faq/joes-tubes.html

Cheers,
Spencer
Hey Jon

Good idea. I am going to have to try this! I have wanted to try this type of vibration control mod.

Hey guys:

I just pulled the trigger on new speakers and amps to take full advantage of my Bricasti. I was struggling to find the right amps for my speakers to the point of then getting into swapping speakers so I just went hole hog and made a "HUGE CHANGE"! With my Bricasti and its great volume control / output stage it made my BAT and ARC preamps pretty much obsolete. I prefer the Bricasti M1 with no pre and not by a small amount. That said my preamps, speakers and amps are now gone.

I have gone in an entirely different direction and I am super excited and nervous at the same time.

My new speakers and amps should be here next week. For the first time I am purchasing amps that were specifically designed and made for my speakers by the same designer from the same company. Something new for me ! I have my digital front end nailed down pretty good with my Bricasti M1 DAC and I didn't want to get back onto the amp-merry-go-round so I thought this was a great choice for me. I love the dynamics, bass, grip and precise control of Solid Stage but I love the sound of tubes. I really fell for what a good solid state amp can do but missed tubes. That said I have decided to take the plunge and purchased new speakers and a new amp from a real small boutique company in India that I hope can offer some of the best of both worlds:

Rethm Saadhana Speakers (2015):

The speakers are single / driver / high efficiency / wide banders with a self powered built in bass module.

Here is the info:
Rethm Saadhana Speakers (2015):
103db, 18hz-20khz, 8ohm
Minimum amplification power: 2 wpc
Full Range - Horn loaded labyrinth:(7" – 4") length
Full range driver: Custom designed 7 inch paper cone w/whizzer w/ Custom designed Self driven bass modules: 3 Bass Drivers per enclosure
3 x 6.5 inch paper cone
Sealed Isobaric chamber:
Bass labyrinth:( 4' – 8" )
w/ one monobloc per enclosure
FET amplifier
Max. output: 210 wpc @ 4 ohms
Dimensions: H x D x W : 3'-5" )x( 2'-4 ½" )x( 8.5" )
Weight per enclosure: 88 lbs

Here is the matching amp that comes in 2 boxes. 1 - box holds all the tubes and the other holds the power supply tethered by a cable. They look like mono blocks but are attached by the cable and it is an integrated, stereo amp.

Rethm Gaanam Integrated amp.
They don't list all the specs per say but here some info if your interested. It interested me enough to order these brand new speakers and amps and we have all chatted a lot so I wanted to share in the event your interested.

This is a pretty unique amp that was again voiced and designed specifically to match the speakers perfectly.

Here is the designer talking about designing the amp.

The criteria we started with were the following:

1. It had to be between 10 and 20 wpc.
2. It had to be Single Ended pure class A.

We use a unique circuit for the power amp section whereby the ONLY tubes are the output tubes. No gain stage tubes, no buffer tubes, no driver tubes. The preamp section provides more than adequate gain, and instead of driver tubes, we have small, custom designed "driver transformers". This enabled us to get a beautiful sound that had all the warmth and dimensionality that makes valves so unique, while enabling a clarity and dynamic that is not often found in traditional valve amplifiers. To enhance control, we decided on a solid state buffer in this amplifier. We also have zero feedback.

After much experimenting with several valve types, we settled on a single-ended configuration using the 6C33C valve. It produces 16 wpc. The 6C33C valve is, on technical spec's itself, an amazing valve. It has an extremely high Trans-conductance value ( in excess of 30 mA/V -- as compared to the 12.5 of a KT 120 ) which facilitates much better current flow. And, it has an amazingly low Internal Resistance ( 130 ohms -- as compared to 3000 ohms on a KT 120 ) which is almost comparable to solid-state devices! This enables a much higher speed of signal voltage transfer. It also has very low anode voltages ( 120 v -- as compared to most valves that go from a few hundred volts to in excess of 1000 v in the case of the 845 valve ) -- which makes it a much safer device.

The preamp section uses two 6922 valves, one per channel, and uses an extremely simple circuit. The power supply is choke regulated, and here again, we have zero feedback.

We also get all our transformers (the output transformers, driver transformers, power transformer and choke) cryogenically treated as we see a substantial improvement in performance with greater transparency, detail retrieval and delicacy to the reproduction.

Wish me luck guys. I took the plunge and took a chance that I can get that Tube and SS flavor and overall take my rig to the next level.

Any advice or feedback or anything is always really appreciated. I know this is the Bricasti thread but we have talked a lot about other amps and speakers matching to the Bricasti and that kind of stuff so I wanted to update and share :)
When I brought the M1 home for audition, I placed it on these footers from Harmonix by Combak, the RF 900 series :-

http://www.combak.net/feet&bases/FEET_and_BASES.html

http://www.combak.net/ (review here)

They make a world of difference. I use the same for my speakers.

J.
Hi guys,

Just wondering if anyone has tried using footers beneath the Bricasti M1? Please share experience.
I tried this Audiophilleo 2 and really liked it so I upped the ante and got their pure power battery pack that pulls all of the computer power away and uses nice clean battery power and wholly smokes its soooo much better than a regular one. It doesn't do the double dsd and maxes out at 192 but its 1/2 the price than the 1. Its $1,000 for the 1 and $500ish for the 2 and all the options the extra options (volume control and color lcd and other stuff I don't need or care for and double the price for double dsd didn't seem make sense as the sound is identical but the pure power battery pack is a different story. It is excellent!! Highly recommended. Much better imo than the SOtm SMS-100 sound wise as well and is trouble free operation. Much better...
I have no experience with this brand, but if you want to have DSD128 support (double DSD) it looks like you would need their 'Audiophilleo 1 Special Edition' model. All of their models support DSD64 via DoP.
Tring the Audiophilleo 2 as a more simple fix and it works pretty great and no bugs or problems. Anyone every try these with your Bricasti or DirectStream???
From Sonore web: PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
The Sonore Sonic Orbiter is an audiophile PCM, DSD/DoP and native DSD capable music renderer with Ethernet input and SotM USB or SPDIF/analog output.

Your PC (you already have PC correct?) has Ethernet input and will have SotM USB output when you buy card.

JRiver is PCM, DSD/DoP and native DSD capable music renderer.

You're going to use USB to M1 connection so you don't need SPDIF/analog outputs.

You don't need this Sonic Orbiter save yourself some money and spend on something else you need.

BTW, nice alternative to PC is a good laptop, Brian is using this himself on audio shows. For critical listening you can always run it from batteries and charge overnight...It's silent as well, or almost silent:)

Cheers,
N
Ya that helps a ton thanks.

Jesus the US distributor for SOtM / Sonore thinks for a non computer expert like myself. I know a bit and can change out PCIe cards and stuff but nothing crazy.

He said he thinks the Sonore Sonic Orbitor with the SOtM USB card you recommended option built in will be perfect.

I can keep everything I am familiar with and it will let me keep my PC and and my JRiver and take advantage of my really good Tellurium Q Black Graphite USB cable I have invested in and don't I need to touch or change or really do anything other than plug it into my system. He said it is very stable and he said it sounds fantastic and it with my credit coming it will only be like $500.00 extra.

It sounds great but I am not real familiar like you def seem to be so your feedback will be really appreciated.

For this post if it goes great with my Bricasti or the folks with PS Audio DirectStream the folks on here might the like the idea of a all in unit under a $1000 that makes either of these great DACS much much better. They say the better the DAC the more improvement that can be heard and these are both great DACS. Would love any thoughts on this. Thanks
Fsmithjack, Yes, SOtM is just ordinary PCIe card so you're good to go as long as you have available PCIe slot in your PC. One note tough, make sure you connect internal PSU from PC to card regardless of fact that you're going to use external battery PSU. This will step in ONLY in the case if for any reason card loses external PSU (accidentally un-plugged etc...) and will prevent damage to card itself ( see SOtM manual). For normal operation battery PSU is used all the time and you can hear improvement in sound immediately. Other thing to consider is that you go with Windows 8 (as suggested by Chris from CA) for better driver compatibility. Windows 8 will recognize SOtM card without problems but I would also suggest installing original (Texas Instruments) driver from SOtM website. I think I heard further improvement in sound after I did this.

Bryston BDP-1 or BDP-2 are network/USB players and they act as PC, so you don’t need PC if you’re going to use these, neither you need SOtM card/Battery PSU. So you need to decide which way to go first but since you already have money in SOtM I don’t see any reason giving that up.

Sound wise Bryston players are excellent option since they’re actually customized Linux based PCs for audio. However I prefer PC based source since for it’s far more versatile and future proof. For example I rely on JRiver more than 5 years now, my library has almost 10000 albums. I spent countless hours getting all tags correctly and believe me this is not something that’s get done automatically. I don’t believe that BDP user interface/library capabilities are even close to JRiver. On the other hand I run Steinberg Wavelab and Izotope RX professional software for audio editing and restoration of vinyl rips from the same machine. With BDP player you’re lock to music playback ONLY with limited options for upgrades in the future.

I hope this helps.
Fsmithjack,

Since you already have a top-notch DAC in the Bricasti M1, getting the BDP-1USB would save you a bundle. From the review that follows, USB thumbdrive seems to give better SQ than NAS.

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2015_03_Review_BDP1_USB.pdf
I am on the hunt for a BDP right now. I am going to go with the upgraded usb card by sotm like above mentioned because I have a credit with that company coming and get its battery powered linear power supply as well and i think this combo will work great with a bdp. looking for a used one as we write :).

On loan from a local dealer I have a Clayton S-40 Class A 50 watt SS amp. Sounds exactly like a tube amp but better. Never have I heard such a pretty and tube sounding ss amp. Very Very nice... Solid can sound different now a days.
I use a 1 Terabyte external hard drive. I've ripped my CDs via dbpoweramp on to the external hard drive and plug the USB cord into the BDP-2. It takes only a few seconds to upload the music. I control everything from my Ipad mini. It's very easy to create a play list or play an entire CD.
Although I don't stream, you can stream music through the BDP-2.
If I understand it correctly, what the BDP-1USB does is to allow you to plug a usb thumbdrive or solid state/hard disk drive directly into it without the need for a pc. You can of course still use your pc with JRiver. The other function is to connect it by Ethernet LAN cable to your router/NAS and to the Bricasti via usb. This seems to give the best possible SQ.
Neno

Thanks a ton, when I send back the SOtM mini servers I am asking him for one of these and the battery pack and am going to pay the difference will should only be a couple hundred which is nice.

OK, so I assume putting the USB card in my computer is pretty easy like adding anything into a computer? Unplug and Open up the PC and then slip it in the slot and and then re-close up computer than download the driver and I should be good right?

Also, what about the Battery Supply. I hope I can just plug that in after I do everything above? Will tha battery pack work ok with my Bricasti?

So did you find this made a nice upgrade in SQ?

Thanks for the help!
Jon2020 & Ricred1

This thing looks great. Can I still use JRiver with it? If so I need to find one. Thanks
I have an Bryston BDP-2 connected to my M1 DAC. I love the convenience, but I never had the opportunity to compare it to other transports.