Brand New Vinyl Static and Pops

Hey, 

I think it's  definitely a static elec problem. How much is the CS Port and "DSAudio?

Some recordings have static Some do not.

I tried the Spin Clean and the Humminguru, both without luck.

The discs look very clean, but there's no difference in terms of static.

Thanks everyone for your help!

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I not referring to new viny, but older. 

Any idea if these would work?

https://www.amazon.com/Milty-5036694022153-Zerostat-Anti-Static-Blue/dp/B0033SHDSS/ref=sw_ttl_pd_ewc_purchase_sim_0?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0033SHDSS&pd_rd_w=c2cbY&content-id=amzn1.sym.6c765dbf-3487-473e-b7c7-4a06a3685c33&pf_rd_p=6c765dbf-3487-473e-b7c7-4a06a3685c33&pf_rd_r=2V9ZDQBCAE9K14JH44RN&pd_rd_wg=rs5YG&pd_rd_r=6adbd60b-dc76-4dd2-bd02-ca1174d80caa&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CDN7QJO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?smid=A3KY1G6IMKRKPX&psc=1

I've used the Zerostat before and nothing. A friend has the Furutech and says it's OK but after the 1st or 2nd song of an LP he hears those small clicking sounds he says are static discharges. 

I've seen those other 2 products from overseas stores selling for just under 2k 

I have a cantate domino album I never thought using my destat furutect would eliminate 80% of the clicks and  pops. I thought it was defective.Indeed the furutech works.Now I need to clean the album to remove the rest of the clicks and pops,thanks

Look, jj, even clean records can have static. Two separate issues.

Cleaning is the biggest benefit.

After that, deal with static. The best way known to mankind is, sadly (one does not like to support a company selling fake junk), the Furutech Destat III. All the same, do not save up for this until you can get your disks clean. There are cheaper ways of reducing static (Zerostat, brushes etc) but they don't work as well.

Demagnetizer:

• $1.9K CS Port IME1
• $1.8k DS Audio ION-001

Since you got different results with different vinyl LPs, makes me wonder if different vinyl has unique static electricity.  

https://www.audioasylumtrader.com/ca/listing/Accessory/CS-Port/Static-Eliminator/IME1/225403

Seems like a great price still a bit out of my means 😕 but contemplating.

Hey, dogberry,

Are you saying the Furutech Destat III is fake junk?

???

Kennyc, Magnetism and static electric charge are two different things, even though static chargecan make two things that are charged with opposite polarity (positive on one and negative on the other) cling together.  The point being that it is quite controversial whether LPs ever need to be demagnetized, whereas no one doubts they often become electrostatically charged up. A "demagnetizer" designed to work on LPs will do nothing, zero, nada for static electric charge.

I know I mentioned this earlier, but $500 is my budget. 

Does anyone recommend the Furutech Destat III?

Also is there a good  Anti-Static Record Brush as well?

I used a Furutech Destat III for several weeks, borrowed from a dealer. It works but I think I've said it before, after 5-7 minutes of playing an LP the static pops & clicks are back. Not on every LP but the majority. 

Thanks rsf507...

Can you recommend any other Alternative(s)?

I’ve never had a problem with new vinyl right out of the jacket/sleeve. Its always been quiet.

I don’t have problems with older LPs either, and I don’t clean them. I do use a carbon fiber dust brush every time I play an LP. Its grounded.

I found out over 3 decades ago that phono preamps can generate ticks and pops that sound like they are on the LP surface. Some might be from static discharge being able to overload the phono input, but a lot of it also can arise from the electrical resonance that is always present if you are using a phono cartridge based on the magnetic principle.

Any kind of magnetic cartridge has inductance and when that inductance is in parallel with the capacitance of the tonearm cable, an electrical resonance is present that can be 20 to 30 dB higher than the signal itself.

With MM cartridges the inductance is so high this resonance is at the extreme upper end of the audio spectrum or just above it and might be about 20dB. Noise occurring in these frequencies is exacerbated by the resonance and can overload the phono section, creating a tick or pop, and possibly also contributing to brightness.

With LOMC cartridges the resonance is at radio frequencies and can be as high as 5MHz. The peak is generally higher (as much as 30dB) and covering a narrower range of frequencies as opposed to the broader range seen with MM cartridges; this is caused by the aspect ratio of the coil in the cartridge. If it becomes energized, it is RFI injected directly into the input of the phono section. This can result in distortion manifesting as brightness, and can overload the input resulting in ticks and pops. ’Cartridge loading’ resistors are typically used to kill (detune) the resonance although users typically think the resistor is toning down the cartridge itself, but if you actually look at what is going on with instruments you can see that isn’t the case at all!

Obviously the phono section I’m using at home is immune to RFI and can’t be overloaded by that 30dB peak, so I don’t get ticks and pops. I stopped using my record cleaning machine 25 years ago and don’t miss it- if an LP really needs cleaning I clean it by hand. But the need to do that is really rare and only if I have a used LP I just acquired that needs help. After that the dust brush and the stability of the phono section takes care of the rest.

So even if the LP is 50 years old its common to have no ticks and pops unless there’s an obvious scratch. IME, phono sections that have problems with high frequency overload as I described above are pretty common and were endemic during the 1970s and 1980s (probably because their designers thought all you needed was enough gain and the right equalization...).

This was/is such a common problem that I’m very convinced its a good part of why digital exists.

Sorry @jjbeason14 I don't have anything that I can recommend. I do hope to try that CS Port static device in about 3 weeks. Yes expensive but I'm saving up and if it works as described (do a search on What's Best Forums) it maybe worth the $$$. For me since I listen to 80% vinyl it seems, if it works as others have claimed, well worth the investment.

I clean Every new record I buy.  Many times new records have the most impurities/gunk/releasing agents/…whatever it is it needs to be cleaned.  After a good cleaning, suggest static reduction with Miltystat gun or something else. 

I have a Zerostat/Miltystat and IMO doesn't do anything. 

What kind of mat are you using? 

I starting using an acrylic mat and static greatly reduced. 

Thanks guys!

I'm just using the mat that came with the Technics 1500C.

I’m just using the mat that came with the Technics 1500C.

@jjbeason14 The Technics SL1200 comes with a rubber mat and its the weakest part of the turntable. I use an Oracle mat which is much better. It is formulated to be about the same hardness as vinyl so is pretty good about absorbing resonance in the LP caused by the cartridge tracking it.

You can hear this resonance. If the volume is all the way down and the LP is playing, ideally you would not be able to hear it while standing right next to the turntable. If the mat isn’t doing its job, you’ll hear the stylus tracking the groove quite easily.

Once you have that sorted, you’ll find the mids and highs smoother and more resolving while the bass has greater impact.

Thanks at!

Could post a link for the oracle mat?

I did a google and couldn't find it.

@jjbeason14 I don't know of a link, but you can talk to them:

Oracle