In my opinion, the best amps at this price point are the Air Tight and Jadis Orchestra Reference. Both offer extension, dynamics, speed, clarity, retrieval of low level information, and refinement that are unmatched by anything else in this class. I feel the reasons for their superiority come down to parts and construction quality. The heart of a tube amp are the transformers. Air Tight and Jadis are head and shoulders over any tube amp in this league. Apart from that, my statement about parts/construction quality extends from the capacitors, to the wiring, to the tube sockets, to the binding posts/inputs, everything. That being said, the infrastructure of both companies is currently almost nonexistent in the US. Leaving service and support questionable. With that caveat, I would say that the Cary SLI80 would be the product of choice today. Sonics are a step back from the two products I listed, however. The reason I ultimately chose the Jadis over the Air Tight for myself was twofold. First, the fact that I could go with so many different types of output tubes(EL34/E34L/6CA7/KT88/6550/KT90), whereas the Air Tight accepts only EL34 type tubes. This gives the ability of the amp to sound almost any way I want it to, by juggling both tube type and brand. The other reason were the tone controls(bass and treble) built into the Jadis. I find these controls useful in quite a few recordings. My fear was that the mere presence of these controls would detract from the sound. Happily, it proved not to be the case. Kudos for Jadis for having the cojones to include these controls in the face of the taboo tone controls have garnered in high end audio. During my travels, I found the next step down from the Cary would be the Manley Stingray, VAC Avatar(best of these three), and VTL IT85. After that would be the Rogue, which is very, very good and the Conrad Johnson CAV50(with the caution that the amp is not the most powerful - would be an issue with a lot of speakers). Followed next by the Golden Tube(out of business, so worse than Air Tight/Jadis) and Jolida line of integrated amps. My opinions on Pathos are that it does not sound like a tube amp, although I do consider it a fine product.