Best Music Streamer to pair with Rogue Audio monoblocks and Pre-Amp


hi all,

I'm purchasing Maggies 3.7i to pair with Rogue Audio monoblocks and Pre-Amp (RP-5v2) and want to upgrade on my Bluesound Node.  Am considering the Hifi Rose RS250A, the Audiolab 9000N, and the Moon 280D.  

Any thoughts on a good pairing.

And I'm also thinking about adding 2 JL Audio subs, perhaps the E110.

I appreciate the collective wisdom of the community.

jazz99

What is it with the orthodoxy guard dogs in these threads?

Part of the problem, other than rudeness, is that a baseline set of definitions is never established before the debate even starts. I was speaking specifically of lightweight streamers whose only mission is to accept streaming audio data and render it to the DAC.

Those beasts like the Innuos Zenith are servers and not just streamers. They need way more computing power for processing, DSP, etc. than a streamer alone requires. This triggers the neurosis of ambient noise reduction, custom motherboards and power supplies and such. In effect, a model like that is fully featured but seriously overpowered and overpriced as a streamer, and really works against itself as a streamer.

I prefer the Roon model of a powerful machine on the server end, kept away from the audio system, and a lightweight low powered quiet streamer connected to DAC. This means you can use an ordinary computer at 1/5 the price as your server and its even well more flexible.

When I said streamers don’t have a sound I was specifically referring to the “more depth and greater soundstage and higher highs and lower lows” dreck, and actually to the specific question of the OP about pairing with preamp and amp. A streamer isn’t going to add warmth to a cold system or such, I.e. like pairing analog components to create proper synergies, except via DSP. The analog section of a DAC is the closest item to the digital chain that might have that influence.

when I see posters spouting off about these high 4 and 5 figure server/streamer combos, I see it as about convenience and features, but they really fight against themselves because of the need for computing power and then the huge efforts to contain the theoretical consequences of that much power on rendering to the DAC. They are not optimal but rather a convenience compromise.

Streamers are and IMHO should be relatively simple and low powered computing devices. I’ve built hundreds of computing devices and have been streaming on my own network since the 1990s. I’ve built many of the Audiophile Style machines they publish configurations for. My audio system is designed to test the efficacy of component combinations. And I spend most of my time listening, not defending my conspicuous expenditures on forums and telling people they have to spend multiple thousands to get good digital audio.

 

@mdalton

Thanks! Love your system too. Where did you get your TD-160?

Funny thing is I purchased the TD-160 at a thrift store for $5. Then spent $$s to have it completely refurbished by a local tech.

It sounds wonderful. But streaming has become my listening preference, so it lately receives only moderate use.

I prefer the Roon model of a powerful machine on the server end, kept away from the audio system, and a lightweight low powered quiet streamer connected to DAC. This means you can use an ordinary computer at 1/5 the price as your server and its even well more flexible.
 

that’s exactly what I had. Roon on Mac Mini in another room away from my system, streaming using Roon ready network card in the Bricasti M3 DAC. Dreck.  

@audphile1

Your experience is exactly what the data on jitter from the M3 with network card would have predicted.  According to the lab report of the HiFi News review of the M3, jitter is over 1900 psec, which is 190(!) times as much jitter as the Mytec with any streamer they ever tested it with!  I’ve attached a link to that review for you.  I’ve also attached the M21 review, which at over £17,000 has the same problem.  

Your experience only serves to validate the point I’ve tried to make in this, and many other, threads.  For streamers, measurements can be very insightful, both in terms of what we hear, and what we don’t.  Too often, we assign credit and blame based on imperfect inadequate or imperfect information.  And I’m just trying to help others avoid that problem.  

 

Bricasti M21

Brisasti M3

Mdalton I just saw your response. So…the difference between using the M3 network card as a roon endpoint and using the M3 as a DAC only via USB from the Aurender N200 is huge. The article talks about jitter in the M3 as a hole, not just the network card. 
M3 is super low noise, resolving and natural sounding DAC. If there’s any jitter I couldn’t hear it with a CD transport or Aurender. 
I auditioned Mytek Brooklyn 2 against Chord Qutest and Bryston BDA-3 in my system. I liked Chord the best and Bryston a close second. Absolutely hated the forward digital nature of the Mytek. But again, Bricasti to my ears is better than all the aforementioned DACs. 

@audophil1

You missed my point.  I am not a huge fan of that Mytec DAC either.  I did a shootout with a friend of 4 different DACs, and the Brooklyn was my least favorite (vs. Okto, DCS Bartok, and Gold Note DS10).  Obviously DACs sound very different.  

But a decently engineered streamer will not sound different from another decently engineered streamer, IMHO.  You heard a noticeable difference in moving from the M3 network card to a decently engineered streamer.  I provided you with a credible reason why - for whatever reason, Bricasti’s network card has extraordinarily high amounts of jitter.  Doesn’t mean their DAC doesn’t sound great, it just probably needs a low jitter streamer.  See my earlier post where I discuss this very possibility  in the context of the iFi DAC.

I don’t suffer from grammar pedantry syndrome. And I didn’t miss your point. 
Enjoy your weekend!

Many thanks for all your input on my query.  I need a good DAC to go with a streamer (or at least that's what I think I need) since the Rogue pre-amp doesn't have a DAC.  (These forums are great when people aren't arguing back and forth!)