BAT + VR 4 JR = ?

Samzx12
huh. Actually I'm thinking designer colored Romex.

Joeyboynj
thanks much.

well if you've been watching you know I now have the silverline sonata IIIs, not the JRs. No more BAT gear either. The addition of the Thor pre, and Dodd 120 mono's was a big step up in performance for me. one I'm in no hurry whatsoever to change.... just seeking wires now.

No longer interested in a sub for the 2 ch system either. That's the best part for me... as now it's only a remote desire and not a pressing need with the IIIs..

unless I hit that red neck retirement some Saturday night, and I only spend a buck each week for it, (sometimes) it'll be a while 'fore I'll be sporting Acoustic Ref speaker wires. In that case, I'd simply move the Sigs onto the the Phase Techs in the HT rig.

Add to that a run of 21 FT. as the gear's in the office and not in the listening/living room, and well, that's a pricey proposition.... but who knows?

Hi Blindjim, It’s always a pleasure to read about how your system is ever evolving. My suggestion is to move the Signature 10's to the bass unit terminals and Alpha Quad to the upper frequencies and give that a try. Synergistic has always recommended this type of connection and it makes sense since the Signature 10 excels in bass definition. I have had these cables before and concur.

If you are looking to buy new cables, another configuration Synergistic suggests is to use Acoustic Reference cables on the high frequencies with the Signature 10 on the low. I assume you already know how the I/C's perform since you have them. Expect similar complimentary results.

Jim I always had good luck with Rat Shack or Home Depot wire. I wouldn't spend my hard earned sheckles on expensive stuff ;) :)

Stringreen

Garbage?

No sense in mincing words, HUH? Cardas & Purist cables are likely just for the tone deaf then, huh?

It's always nice to see someone who isn't cloistered or inundated with tact or good manners.

I’m sure Cardas & Purist cables would cringe at such a revelation. Probably just throw out everything they’ve done thus far and seek guidance from Mr. Speltz immediately. Likely place full page spreads on the leading newspapers across the country and not only apologize for creating such refuse, and with such a contrite perspective providing the impetus, recall all their efforts forthwith.

Any other items you think we should immediately discard or avoid in the future, given your remarkable insight? I’m wondering with all the press given to all three of the cable makers you mention, there’s not been a head to head comparison published.

Actually and perhaps a better plan might well be to cut the costs of anti cables and simply use Romex… at least it’s more attractive. It’s minimally shielded as well and for less than the cost of contact cleaner/enhancer one could simply replace the wires altogether periodically. Then therre’s that handy ground wire too you could secure to the items so the cabling has little chance of being separated and thus lose signal, in anything short of an earthquake.

Very classy indeed, Stringreen.

Cardas and Purist are garbage. Anti-Calbes are the way to go. They have a money back guarantee. At least audtion them.

Blindjim,

I tried to type in brale, but think I misspelled too many words!

I used to own the 4jr speakers and now own the BAT 5i preamp and two BAT VK-60 power amps in mono (have been looking for more lately).

I liked the Analysis Plus Silver speaker cables with the VR 4 JRs and the double/biwire run works well with this speaker as the speaker cable is only attached at the amp end (ie. there are two individual cables from that point on) which works well with the separation of the 4jr posts.

I like silver speaker cables with these speakers, additionally with the BAT equipment I think this will be reinforced. When I ran the 4jrs. I ran solid state and the silver cable was still excellent. With the tubes, I would say it would be even better!

At about $600 (used)for a pair it may be considered a bit pricey by some, so considering an alternative silver cable at a lower price may also be a solution. I have only listened to AP in the silver cabling.

Following some trials with home made and off the spool with special connectors afixed... I tried some "ready rolled" speaker wires from Synergistic... Not really trying to but the length I needed and the brand just became coincidental. so a 15 ft. run of biwired Alpha quad x active were bought.

Results? Not bad. better than the homemade versionns i had on hand previously.

Some few months later a set of Syn research Sig 10's became 'available' and with enough length to do the job. Seeing this as an inadvertant and unexpected opportunity, I was able to make a deal for them as well.

Without much question they surpassed the AQ's. though given the ridiculous span of distance for jumpering the VSA VR4 JRs in biwire config (one needs shotgun the VR4 JRs, or special order speaker wires for them, unlike 98% of the rest of speakers made).

"Can't the binding posts on the bass unit be fitted higher Albert?"

I still am using the AQs for the bass module... and using the Sig 10's with connectors to config the biwired Signature 10s as a 'single' speaker cable on the top module.

This shotgun approach works well. well enough. Smooth, resolving. Extended. great lateral and vertical space, with now, very good depth of stage as well. My notion for upgrading here is to trickle down the Sig 10 to the lower module... or replace both entirely. though the Signature tens are a fine cable working well with some other units I have too and may simply wind up in another system I have altogether.

thanks, I'll give 'same same' a thought.... or two...

Also, I've heard keeping the same brand, but maybe different models throughout is also a noteworthy idea. I would think the one thing that dispells that is the addition of PC's. . . .yet IC's, and speaker cables of the same name at least does seem tomake sense... I think Analysis Plus is the wires that are internal in the BSA units... I'll be calling them tomorrow and I'll ask...

I am - in my head only - thinking about Cardass GR IC'S... AND/OR pURISTS TOP END ENTRY AS WELL... tHE RECENT ADDITION OF SOME mit MAG 3'S, HELPED IN SOME AREAS, TOOK AWAY FROM IN ANOTHER... BUT YOU GUYS KNOW BETTER THAN ME... YOU'VE ALREADY GOT. i'M TRYIHNG TO CATCH UP...

sO THROW OUT THOSE NOTIONS OF YOUR EXPERIENCES AND CURRENT JOYS... IT IS MORE THAN IMMENSELY APPRECIATED.

THE NOTE AS TO WHAT WILL BE THE LENGTH OF THE RUN IS APPROPRIATE... LIKELY IT WILL BE 11 OR 12 FEET. I KNOW, SHORTER IS BETTER HERE, BUT I'LL JUST HAVE TO SETTLE INSTEAD OF LOADING UP THE LISTENING ROOM WITH HOT AMPS AND SUCH... i EVEN BUILT IN THE BIG SCREEN tv SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN A FIREPLACE.... ONLY THING IN THAT ROOM THAT ISN'T FURNITURE IS GOING TO BE TWO SPEAKERS, AND MAYBE TWO SUBS... THE REST OF IT ALL WILL BE BUILT IN... CENTER CH, REARS, AND YEP, MAYBE THE SUBS TOO!

i AM EAGER TO HEAR MORE...

I heard the VS4sr, I know it is different, but the speaker wire for it matched, by chance, the internal wire of the speaker, perhaps for synergy this may not be a bad way to go. Just a thought. I would be interested in what others had to say on this idea.

You should try the Speltz Anti-cables and Anti-ICs. For the money can't be beat, and just might be your last set of cables.

I have an all BAT system with VR4jrs and Goertz MI-2 is probably my last speaker cable. Super low impedance, great for longer runs. This stuff is about as sonically transparent as it gets.