Audio Research VT100 MK1 and LS15 HELP!!!


I recently bought this set VT100MK1 and preamp LS15 and while I was at this seller house he demonstrated the sound from his online Tidal on TV connect optical to the DAC Luxman DA - 06 then this go to the preamp LS15 and out into the VT100. This set up sounds amazing at his house. However, when I came home play CD from the Sony X1100ES Blu-ray player RCA output into the LS15 and out to the VT100 and it sound horrible - no bass at all in any type of music.  The sound sometime muffle and not clear and most importantly the bass missing tremendously. Im using a pair of KEF R900 Speakers. What is wrong here? can anyone help me correct the sounds? it is because I didn’t have the Luxman DA - 06 DAC? or it is because I don’t have those fancy hundred - thousands of dollars cable?  or the CD source is playin at 41khz /16 bit not high enough signal?  

This is my first system and I don’t know why I can’t get that high fidelity sound from the ARC equipments.  I'm waiting for the Audioengine B1 to arrive so I can stream Spotify into the LS15.   What is wrong with my set up?  Thank you in advance for helping me solve this.
kentrent
@alphaguy65
The Op is using balanced cables from preamp to amp. Maybe he should try RCA unbalanced.

I've also listened to the R900's with only 30W; very large cabinets with deep bass, huge soundstage.

@kentrent  Something we haven't discussed is your speaker setup and your room.

Did you receive owners manuals with your purchase?  If not, you can find them on-line.  They should help explain the XLR jumpers.  They are little "U" shaped pieces of metal that the seller should have provided.  Make sure you place them in the way ARC indicates.  
@akiravelvet

the speakers he has is 

Pure audio project - Quintet 15



ive tested the r900 speakers with another amp and its sounds wonderful much bass and strong. Switched to the ARC i just bought its missing about 60% bass compared to the original amp i have (MAC1500). And tonight I discovered the LS15 one of the tube (V3) has white sparks when i turn on. So now i can only conclude that either the preamp LS15 or VT100 amp is defects. I contacted the seller and he’s not responding- avoiding me. So I’m kinda bumped and feel down that this happened to me. I wanna ask him for money back but i doubt he’ll give back.
Ive demoed certain components to find that dynamics, bass, warmth, etc. were lacking incredibly. Could you ask the seller if they can come over and possibly bring the dac with them? Could you demo different components at a local shop? any professionals that can look at at your setup? 
what were the speakers that the seller had? could it be that you liked the bass on those speakers more than the ref's? different speakers will do different things in the bass department. Also the seller might have a really good dialed in set up. Are you sure there is an actual problem or that you are just disappointed from the sound of your setup?
I still cannot figure out why the system doesn't have any bass like it should.  thank you so much for you help and time.   I really appreciate you and everyone who provided advices.  wish I could get fix soon... 
Btw, one tube wouldn't cause such a serious problem. It would be the pair or could be tubes in the amp.


Hopefully it helps. But, there may be more than one bad tube. I hope I'm wrong.

A reminder...
Use the 4 ohm taps, re-seat all the tubes in the amp. Make sure they sit tight in the sockets.
  
well, they were replaced by ARC service center in December 2018.   So I will replace the pair V3 and V4.  hope it would fix the bass response problem because right now it has no bass at all... comparing to the bluetooth gold phantom speakers it probably about 60% bass.   
They are left and right channel. Replace both since you don't know their age.
Then, hopefully the tube will not blow.
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For all we know, all the preamp tubes could be weak. But start by changing the 3 and 4 tubes.
@lowrider57  I'm buying the Electro Harmonic 6922 tubes now on eBay. Pair for $42.   The V3 tube is defects, so this could explain the weak bass response I'm getting...?
You could, but the other tube could go bad at any time since you don't know it's age. When you replace the pair they will both be strong tubes.
Preamp tubes are replaced in pairs. Two in the front, two in back. If the pair that supplies gain to the preamp are bad or weak, then there's not enough juice to drive the amp.

Look at the manual and identify which tube is bad...
V1 V2 V3 V4

@lowrider57 so do u think replacing the bad tube would fix the bass response problem? Could this be the culprit of the low bass sound overall? 
No need to bias the preamp tubes. They're set at the factory.

If there's a short or other issue in the circuit the tube could blow again.  
It would be great if you only need a new tube. 

@lowrider57 i just bought this unit off from someone yesterday and he told me nothing wrong with it. So i guess he lied to me :(( 

i dont have any spare tube.  If I replace this tube myself, do i need to rebais or anything i need to know? Perhaps this may fix my bass response problem?


Yes. Do you have a spare of the same tube type? If you replace the tube and it sparks again, you need service.
@lowrider57 from preamp to amp is XLR cable.   Everytime i turn on the preamp one of the tubes sparks.  That seems like one of the tube is defect? 
Have you been interrupting power to the preamp, eg, pulling out the AC cable, powering the preamp or amp on, off quickly?
There is a safety mode on the preamp if power is interrupted.


http://vpiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8590




Jumpers are used in the amp XLR inputs when you are using RCA cables. But you're using XLR between amp and preamp, correct?

So as i was doing all these troubleshooting the LS15 keeps shutting off randomly every few minutes.  This prob new since i got it yesterday.  What is this guys? Im beginning to worry... :((
@lowrider57 i owned the gold phantom so i compared it to the arc and kef r900.  The gold phantom has a lot of bass streaming from my iphone.  Even when i connect the same sony to the Mac1500 amp it still has a lot better bass comparable to to the vt100.  Could it be something wrong with the vt100 and ls15?
Aren't there those little U shaped shorting pins that go in the XLR jack if you use the RCA inputs?  Or was that only on the amp, I can't remember, been too long since I owned ARC gear
Are the VT100 SE jumpers in or out?  

FYI.  I have had a VT100 mkiii and LS25 for years.  And, I own the Luxman DA-06.  Output is twice + that of your Sony.

May be able to help.
I think you should test the tubes some more.  It doesn’t matter that they are new, they can still be broken. 
Where did the Gold Phantom come from? What kind of inputs does it have?

Can you repeat Jea's test but this time use the 4 ohm taps. The bass on your speakers is about 4 ohms.

@jea48 so i arranged the wires like you said as follow:

speakers neg ( - ) is connected to ( 0 ) common on the amp.
Pos ( + ) on the 8 ohm terminal on the amp. This resulted same bass but when I reversed the wire it like slightly increased bass.  Why is that? Just slightly not a lot.  I compared this sound to the Devialet Gold Phantom and the phantom has so much more bass.  
@kentrent

Are the amp/pre amp plugged into a power conditioner?

If so, plug them into the wall, at least the power amp.
@andirocks with the MAC it has tone control: treble and bass.  Good idea i will try it and let u know.  Thanks 
kentrent,
When using the Mac do you have the tone controls set flat or are you boosting the bass??
If you are boosting the bass try it with the tone controls set flat and compare that to the ARC.

@atmasphere im not quite understand what you’re saying... can u explain. Thanks
@kentrent  Yes:

Play a track with bass that you know.
Go to the back of one speaker, left or right doesn't matter. Reverse the speaker connections.

Play the bass track again. Did it get better? If yes => good, if no=> it was right the first time.
kentrent OP12 posts    

08-28-2019   
 3:46pm


 At the seller house setup, he only turn on 30% and i can hear music pretty loud. But when my setup i had to crank up to about 70% to hear loud.

Are you 100% sure you have the speaker cables connected to the VT100 amp terminals correctly?
( 0 ) is common, neg ( - ). Make sure both speakers neg ( - ) is connected to ( 0 ) common on the amp.
Pos ( + ) on the 8 ohm or 4 ohm terminal on the amp.
Verify 100% you have them connected correctly.


Also make sure the interconnects are plugged in all the way.



@atmasphere im not quite understand what you’re saying... can u explain. Thanks 
But i cant explain why my arc setup is low bass response.  I’m kinda sad and disappointed that i spend a lot of money but im not getting the sound i want.
Again- did you swap the phase on **only one loudspeaker**?
If you did both you would not find anything out. You have to swap the phase on just one.
@lowrider57 i will try different source today to see if the sound changes.  Maybe ill use another bluray player 
Do you have any other sources? TV, turntable, tuner. 
Maybe the Mac 1500 has a preamp output you can plug into the amp.
@lowrider57 u are absolutely right about the Dac help gain.  At the seller house setup, he only turn on 30% and i can hear music pretty loud. But when my setup i had to crank up to about 70% to hear loud.  So definitely this confirmed that DAC increase gain.  But i cant explain why my arc setup is low bass response.  I’m kinda sad and disappointed that i spend a lot of money but im not getting the sound i want.  Idk what’s wrong... 
The only difference is the dac most likely has a higher gain than your CDP.
That doesn't explain why you have poor bass response. 
@lowrider57 he was using rca into the preamp not balance.  I asked him and he said the DAC will fix my problem. Im not sure if he’s right