...and Dino Saluzzi is again and again Argentinian.
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A lot of jazz comes from Europe as well. Yes, of course that was flamenco. I couldn't find quickly a tango clip where the dancers were better, though I saw a few. Not all tango comes from Argentina either. And as far as I heard, Miles Davis was in fact more popular in Europe and Japan than in America. Anyway, disagreements are just fine. |
Inna, saying that a lot of tango comes from Argentina is a bit like saying that a lot of jazz comes from the USA. I don't know what you see, or don't see, in the dancing in that clip, but we will have to disagree, they are beautiful dancers. Now, your opinion would carry more weight if you had posted an example of tango dancing as an example of good dancing. What you posted is flamenco dancing not tango. A bit like saying: "that apple is not very good. This is better, try this pear". |
These two do dance well, more than that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTVqfCPq_CE |
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0zfpp8ZzpwE I can't think of any other "world music" that is as complete as the tango when one can also see the dance. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oB-RS000NLs |
There is no definitive answer. And the word 'like' is too general and superficial to reflect the meaning. We resonate, respond emotionally in a particular way because it touches us on deeper layers of our psyche. My 'education and influences and exposure' had nothing to do directly with Spanish, Indian, Middle Eastern and other cultures. Yet I respond to some music and other things coming from those traditions. Anyway, originaly we are all from Africa by way of Middle and Near East. This would explain certain connectedness that we have in us. Alexatpos, thank you, but I believe that I will have more understanding of savdeh without the translation, it is extremely difficult to translate poetry, especially when languages are quite far from each other. |
Frogman, no problem, I will do my best, will write you the original text of the song, just in case if you meet someone who can do it better, and my translation. Tell me is there a particular song that you would like me to translate, or you would like to know the meaning of them all? Perhaps you should send me your mail than. Same question goes for you, Inna. In the meantime here is another song from Amira Medunjanin, the one you seemed to like.There is a translation under the clip too, I read it and its quite all right. There is problem with translatin because all this songs are quite old, and there are some archaic words that are basicly of ottoman origin, but have found the use in a common langugae, specialy in Bosnia Of course that they can be translated, but the 'spice' and atmosphere are impossible to preserve fully. https://youtu.be/SwSiIPMvsYE Interesting question that rises is why we like some particular music...and we do not some other....education and influences and exposure are just some of the answers |
Thanks for the heads up re the Camaron lp on eBay; just purchased it. Btw, I think Alexatpos makes an important distinction re sevdah/blues; similar in feeling not form. Not sure how one can describe one particular feeling as more complex than another. Form, yes. Feeling?... Alex, if you read this, I would be interested in that translation. |
I would say that sevdah is more complex than blues. But I'll admit I prefer Spain's flamenco to both. At his best El Camaron de la Isla was incomparable. !973, 1974, 1975, 1977 albums are considered masterpieces. If I had to choose one, this would probably be 1977 'Castillo de Arena'. Paco de Lucia on guitarra on all these albums. By the way, if someone wants a record, and they are very rare, there is one right now on ebay. I have three copies of it already, none is Mint though. |
Just as Alexatpos correctly compares the feeling of 'sevdah' to 'blues', the Cuban 'guajira' can rightly be considered Cuban blues. Guajira themes often spoke of the Cuba's natural beauty and peasant life. Guillermo Portabales was one of the greatest singers in this almost forgotten genre. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c532FW1tFvg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TUjpFi9NRNM |
Alexatpos, thank you for the links. The Amira Medunjanin clip is some of the most beautiful and heartfelt singing that I have heard in a while; I will have to check out her recordings. Interesting how she ends the song (compared to the other rendition you posted). She and the band don't resolve the harmony and they end on the dominant chord which adds to the emotional feeling of the song and gives a sense of unease at the very end. She is a wonderful singer. Inna, that clip of Camaron (shrimp in Spanish if anyone cares) with Paco de Lucia is fabulous; thanks. The Sephartic influence in both it and in Alexatpos' clips is fascinating. de Lucia is absolutely amazing! |
Paco De Lucia is one of my favorite guitar players, was fortunate enough to see him alive couple of years ago. There are two albums that you may like, sextet, and sextet live. Here are few clips https://youtu.be/8DLExUqCK84 https://youtu.be/ZBa5xUWHQAI |
Inna, Frogman, I am glad that you liked the clips. But like O 10 said, in 'our' jazz thread, it is a realy special feeling seeing some of this performers alive. The music is emotionaly demanding, there is a joke that describes that well, about a little boy who was asked what is 'sevdah'. His response was 'that is when father sits, drinks, listens to music and cry'. Here are couple more clips, the older, more traditional, and few more recent. If you are realy intersted, I could translate you the songs,but the poetic expression would be partly lost https://youtu.be/9eFkjSXbUks https://youtu.be/nvjDAIBtRH8 https://youtu.be/idjt4URLJcQ https://youtu.be/4Gp_mwg0R8I https://youtu.be/dDOSog6F5vE, intersting, his son and grandson are singers too. Grandson, singing the same song https://youtu.be/v03AWt_Wmes |
Alexatpos, thank you for the links. The Amira Medunjanin clip is some of the most beautiful and heartfelt singing that I have heard in a while; I will have to check out her recordings. Interesting how she ends the song (compared to the other rendition you posted). She and the band don't resolve the harmony and they end on the dominant chord which adds to the emotional feeling of the song and gives a sense of unease at the very end. She is a wonderful singer. Inna, that clip of Camaron (shrimp in Spanish if anyone cares) with Paco de Lucia is fabulous; thanks. The Sephartic influence in both it and in Alexatpos' clips is fascinating. de Lucia is absolutely amazing! |
Arabic Spanish is a beautiful combination that I like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W3krLcMwJ8 This is Spanish guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9-GipjzJM&list=RDgV9-GipjzJM#t=104 Tango Flamenco is nice, and it has some beautiful photographs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FDXPYE0nVw This has good music and sonics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2SJf1J-LHA Enjoy the music. |
Alexatpos, yes of course it was addressed to you. I read the article that you provided, thank you. Very interesting and not quite known origin but this form appears to have many influences. In this sense - true world music. Very intense, very dark, a lot of pain. Difficult to perform.Impressive. Orpheus10, I like his trumpet. He definitely studied Miles Davis but has his own style. Very good. I thought that he should play with stronger musicians, especially drums and bass - they just don't cut it and probably annoy him. |
This is a sample of some of the music that's been posted for this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f702zmB5en4 Enjoy the music |
Inna, I guess your last question is adressed to me? Here are some facts on wiki, they are mostly right, aldo the important part which describes actual way of life and living in time when that form of singing was born is missing from description https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevdalinka However, if you decide to try to find some more great sevdah music, I would be glad to recommend it, because, like in blues, there is lots of music that goes by that name,and its not realy that and has got no value at all, it justs falsy uses and exploits the real art form |
Definitely agree with Mapman's recommendation for the Putumaya label; they have some great discs that will take you 'round the world. Some other favorites; - Habib Koite & Bamada "Foly", great live album to boot, several other albums by Habib Koite & Bamada, email me for details... - another vote for various Dead Can Dance CDs - Some of Brendan Perry's (from DCD) solo work - "Samsara" and a few others by Lisa Gerrard (also from DCD) - Several discs from Trilok Gurtu - Several discs including "Global House", "Link", "Visual" and "Bridge" from Oystein Sevag - "DAFOS", "Global Drum Project" and "YAMANTAKA" by Mickey Hart - "Tathagata" by He Xun Tian - "Sister Drum" and "Seven Days" by Dadawa - various Jon Hassell albums ("Dream Theory in Malaya", "Hollow Bamboo", " Maarifa Street" and "Possible Musics" (with Brian Eno).... I'll be glad to discuss more specifics on these and other albums either on or off-line... |
Try this. The music is called 'sevdah', from south east Balkan. Very specific form. Kind of 'blues', not by form, but by feeling. If you like it, will tell you more. This is the same song, played by two very different singers https://youtu.be/iBbN86O3r8M https://youtu.be/P7OecIOkA_Y |
Inna, read ""mark up tags" for links. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELhoHQEGGUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytrU587-C50 I like both selections. Enjoy the music |
Putumaya and "Rough Guide" labels/series are great samplers for finding world music. I pick them up whenever I can. I'm not much of an album or single artist guy these days. I'm much more into finding the individual tracks or compositions that I really like. Even more so with World music, where I share fewer life experiences with the atists. So much good stuff out there to discover though!!! |
This is truly "World" music because they borrow sounds from around the Globe. On "Kiko" they begin with Japan, stop in Africa, and then on to Australia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWGKwNt9NY8 I know I've posted "Yulunga" before, but I find it hypnotic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z42ENG79hTo Dead can dance "Rare Trax", this is more drums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KdXjFDKVZA Enjoy the music. |
This is truly "World" music because they borrow sounds from around the Globe. On "Kiko" they begin with Japan, stop in Africa, and then on to Australia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWGKwNt9NY8 I know I've posted "Yulunga" before, but I find it hypnotic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z42ENG79hTo Dead can dance "Rare Trax", this is more drums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KdXjFDKVZA Enjoy the music. Orpheus10 (Threads | Answers | This Thread) |
