4Point9 vs. OL Conqueror vs. Vertere Super Groove HB

Moved up through many Origin Live arms to now using the Conqueror 4 and Enterprise 4 on my dual arm setup.  The Conqueror was home to my Soundsmith Paua II for a while.  Great combination.  How have the Soundsmith Hyperion MR on the Enterprise and a Miyajima Zero mono on the Conqueror.  Each move up from Silver to Encounter to Illustrious to… provided a greater level of the excellent OL presentation and engagement.  Highly recommended.   

I have been a very happy 4Point9 owner for almost two years. Haven't heard the other arms mentioned.

@rsf507  It is currently my top choice too. I wish I could have afforded it before the price crept up. I just recently began looking at the Vertere, so it also has appeal. Thank you for your insight.

I've heard the 4Point9 at my dealers over 20 times with many different cartridges. Sound is always amazing and the difference in cartridges is easily heard. It will be my next arm.

@rauliruegas  Yes, I agree the Belles have their limits. My goal is to make them sound as good as they can. Down the road if desired, I can change out speakers. These do sound real nice right now, except for the bass control.

If I hear you correctly, I should look into getting some subs to get better results than improving the quality of the source components.  I know, it's all important. Maybe time to look at an alternate plan.  Thank you.

Dear @edgyhassle : " increase detail, realism and further tighten up the lower frequencies (and perhaps enhance), "

Horns speakers are unique in the sound Immediacy we listen against any other kind of speaker design.

Unfortunatelly horn speakers are not good enough at both frequency range extremes Your Belles goes down to 45hz with +,- 5db and to 17khz with same high level deviations .

You can have the kind of bass range you are looking for adding a couple of self powered and connected through its high pass crossover, with subs you will have additional benefits in the whole frequncy ranges not on ly in the bass range.

You can change your cartridge and this is an option too.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

“Varies” was inserted by cursed autocorrect, obviously I hope.

All that stuff varies vibrates in sympathy with the speakers and colors the sound in a bad way.

@lewm  I am a believer. Better soundstage, jumps right out at me. Thank you!

@lewm Thank you for the suggestion. The second TT (changer) is now gone and replaced with the Decware phono pre. I will get rid of the chotchkies and ROK turntable displayed on top and have a listen. 

Cheers, Eddie

You have a beautiful listening room. I suggest you remove all chotchkies from speakers and even from the vicinity of either speaker, especially what appears to be a second turntable on top of the R speaker. Get all that stuff out of there and have a listen.