240 Volts!Thin end of the wedge there.Next thing you know you will want us to give up our military style weapons and left handed fishing reels!
120v vs 240v
Doing a electric panel upgrade and thinking of running 3 new dedicated 8 gauge circuits, 2 for possible future 240 v ( which can also be 120v) monoblocks and a dedicated 20 amp for other gear
What are the pros and cons of 240v vs 120 v for amplifiers
also how many isolated ground circuits do I need?
Thanks
What are the pros and cons of 240v vs 120 v for amplifiers
also how many isolated ground circuits do I need?
Thanks
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ditusa CLEEDS the the plug that is needed is a leviton 5842-i i have 2 in my home in stall by a electrician 125v 20amps top bottom 250v 20amps ...That’s fine, but the circuit you described was 30A for both the 120VAC and 240VAC lines. That Leviton receptacle definitely doesn’t meet my local code for that purpose and I don’t think it meets NEC, either. |
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Clarification perhaps my prior post was a bit inartfully stated i am trying to accommodate future potential needs while addressing present and future costs. I have no issues changing out breakers and plugs in the future to accommodate a potential 240 v amp., as last ng as the wiring and ground are adequate Definitely doing a new panel as I am adding 2 Tesla supercharger circuits, summer kitchen etc |
CLEEDS the the plug that is needed is a leviton 5842-i i have 2 in my home in stall by a electrician 125v 20amps top bottom 250v 20amps my amps run on 230v to run 125v change the power cord thats it 230v powe cord is a nema-6-20p to c13 iec my amps see the voltage from 100v to 250v no change of the amp is needed |
ditusa6 I would recommend 2 30amp dedicated circuits using #3 10 gauge wire. With both receptacles will be dual voltage: top plug 125 volts 30 amps and bottom 250 volts 30 amps ...That’s problematic for several reasons. First, you’ll likely need to use a special receptacle for that 120VAC 30A line, because many local codes won’t allow a conventional 15A or 20A receptacle on a 30A line. So the receptacle you’ll be using won’t be compatible with the plugs on your equipment. The 240VAC 30A line will also require a properly rated receptacle. Again, that likely won’t be compatible with the equipment’s existing male AC plugs. And you are not going to find a duplex receptacle - which is what you’re describing when you refer to a "top plug" and a bottom plug - with different configurations between the two plugs. |
I would recommend 2 30amp dedicated circuits using #3 10 gauge wire. With both receptacles will be dual voltage: top plug 125 volts 30 amps and bottom 250 volts 30 amps...running the amps on 230 volts increases the dynamics of the amp, transient response, and lowers the noise flow. No speaker cable I ever tried made that difference... just a thought... |
Do not buy the thin twin breakers until you check the local code. In RI, they are NOT allowed. It does put unnecessary stress on the spot in the panel. I am amazed at some of the things people do with their panel and running new circuits. Anyone ever hear of electrical fire? Two weeks after we moved into our present home in 1994, we had an electrical fire. Had I not been in the basement at the time and a fire extinguisher close by, I would have lost the house. Flames were shooting out of the panel! The entire panel was toast and the wire burned on the outside of the house, all the way to the connection from pole to house. The cause was a secondary panel the original home owner added to the main panel. The wires were very loose and we all know a loose wire causes resistance which produces heat. We were very lucky. I had to spring for a new service which I had upgraded to 200 amps from 100 amps. We couldn’t live in the house for a month until it was cleaned up from the smoke damage and new service installed. My insurance company had a 40 foot trailer delivered to our driveway which we lived in while the repairs were made. Oh, my insurance premium almost doubled after that fiasco. |
All US panels are already 240V, so there is no need to change a panel, unless you are doing a whole lot more than adding a couple amps. I had no problem adding 9 bitcoin miners to mine, and that was a continuous 70A load. Continuous. Cannot even imagine what one would need to do to actually need a bigger or upgraded panel. Even if more circuits are needed you simply buy a breaker called a thin twin that lets you put two 120V circuits in the same space as would normally be for just one. But whatever. If past experience is anything to go by it is unlikely anyone determined to spend money unnecessarily will be dissuaded. Hire an electrician and go for it. When considering all the advice you will be getting, including from electricians, you might want to consider I have experience actually doing all this stuff. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 That’s a 240V to 120V Audio Consulting step down transformer you’re looking at there. The advantage of 240V is power. Watts are power and voltage (pressure) times amps (current flow) equals power in watts. So the greater the voltage the greater the power. What this means in practical terms is faster charging of the amplifiers power supply caps. Amp power ultimately comes from the amps power supply, not the wall. But the caps are constantly being drained and topped off, and the faster the topping off the more dynamic the amp will sound. That anyway is the theory. Whether it works or not is another thing altogether. Me personally, having tried and compared it several different ways, no way you would ever get me to run more than one line to a room. No matter how much money you gave me. And absolute last thing in the world would be to use more than one line and a bunch of dedicated grounds. But hey, don’t take my word for it. Listen to Mikey. Skip to 15:50. https://ultimist.com/video/2018/07/21/michael-fremers-listening-room/ |