Maggies...Measured Amp Power Requirements


Just how many watts does it really take to drive Maggies? Two things made me investigate this…first: on a visit to the cellar (my system’s boiler room) I noticed that the clip leds on my 600 watt CarverPro ZR1600 amps were flashing when I played the system very loud…second: I wondered if using a higher subwoofer crossover frequency would make it possible to try a tube amp for the Maggies. Some people say a good 100 – 150 watt tube amp can sound good. My Maggies are MG1.6.

With the SW crossover frequency set to 45 Hz, and the maximum measured SPL at 96 dB, I measured up to 38 vrms across the speaker terminals. This represents 361 watts, rms.

With 38 vrms measured, the peak voltage would be at least 1.5*38 which is 57 volts.
This voltage would suggest a power amp capable of 812 watts peak (briefly). So the clipping led was telling the truth.

Moving the subwoofer crossover frequency up to 100 Hz brought the maximum rms voltage down to 26 vrms. This represents 169 watts. The corresponding peak voltage would be 39 volts, and the peak power requirement would be 380 watts.

I conclude that people who use tube amps with Maggies do not play them loudly. Another factor to consider is clipping recovery characteristics of the amp. Tube amps do naturally recover better than solid state amps, so a little clipping may not be the end of the world.

I also conclude that I can forget about trying tube amps with my Maggies. Shucks. Now what will I do with all that money?
eldartford
I have not done conclusive testing as you, but I feel the same based on my experiences. Those who think they are getting "it" really have no clue what they are missing. In any case this is sure to be a controversial thread....
If you only listen at 85 db max is it still necessary to have that much power or are you saying the maggies don't open up until they are extremely loud, which requires a lot of power?
I agree with the above. I've used the same Carver 1600 on 3.6's and the clip lights also appeared on loud/dynamic passages.
My estimate on the 3.6's, based on over a dozen amps that I've tried, is that they need an amp that can deliver at least 800 watts into 4 ohms. I'll qualify that by saying my room is on the large side, so I'm cranking the volume more than most.
I'm currently using SimAudio W10's which deliver 1400 watts, and they work great with the 3.6's.
Of course there are some grey areas and the old argument may be raised that not all watts are created equal. Tube users might say that a tube watt is more powerful than a SS watt, but I'm not getting into that debate here!!!

The last thing you want with the 3.6's is an amp that clips, even a tube amp. I blew plenty of tweeter fuses with my Cary V12 Monoblocks - rated at 200 watts/channel.

Rooze
Yeah, I don't think I got non-clipping with my 3.6s until I got the innersound ESL-300 which does 600WPC @ 4 ohms. Sounded clean and unrestrained. Also didn't blow the ribbons anymore.