Trans Fi Salvation direct rim drive turntable


Hi A'goners, I've just bought this turntable, confident it'll be my last upgrade. The rest of my system is a Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX phono stage, EMM Labs CDSA SE cd player, Hovland HP200 pre/Radia power amps, Zu Definitions Mk 4 loudspeakers, so a pretty good way to listen to vinyl.

Over the years, since 1995 I've progressed from a Roksan Xerxes/Artemiz/Shiraz, via a Michell Orbe/SME V/Transfiguration Orpheus, finally ending up last week with my new Trans Fi Salvation/Trans Fi T3Pro Terminator/Zu modded Denon 103.

This turntable (£2500 UK price, approx $4000-$5000 US) is the brainchild of Vic, a retired dentist, who, fed up with the shortcomings of belt drive and traditionally-pivoted tone arms, literally from the ground up devised first the Terminator air bearing linear tracking tone arm (now in T3Pro guise as on my system), and now the direct rim drive Salvation turntable, a technology in direct opposition to the hegemony of belt drive we've come to accept from the '70s.

In summary, he has developed a motor that directly rim drives an oversize platter. The magic is that vibrations are drained away from the platter and hence stylus. So minimal rumble is transmitted, the weakness of Garrards/Lencos in the past. This is mated to a substantial slate plinth which does a great job of isolating the whole rig from external vibrations.

Where this differs from direct drive is that the torque applied is high enough to counteract stylus drag, but it is strictly analogue controlled ie no digital feedback applying constant micro speed control. Speed is set correctly, torque is sufficient, and speed stability is like a rock.

This is combined with his air bearing linear tracking arm, discussed on other threads.

So technical description over, how about how it sounds? Well, years ago I always assumed the overhang in bass when playing lps on my previous belt drive/pivoted arm tts, apparent as a benign artifact, was all part of the 'romance' of vinyl, esp. when compared to the dry, clinical sound of early cd. But in 2007 I acquired the EMM cd, which had a natural analogue sound playing silver discs, but none of this bass colouration. On studying the growing reemergence of idler/direct drive, and their superiority in maintaining speed stability, I agreed that the belt speed instability might be introducing this.

Two years ago I came across Vic, and now I can report that eliminating the belt for high torque rim drive has taken this whole artifact out of the equation. Whole layers of previously masked information like rhythm guitars are now present, treble information has abundant naturalness and decay, and bass, which appears to be less in quantity compared to belt, is actually more accurate with a real start-stop quality, much more like digital, and the real thing. The other positives are more linked to the arm, including uncanny tracking across the whole record side; I'm really not exaggerating in saying that the last few grooves at the end of an lp side are as solidly reproduced as the first. Music with strong dynamic contrasts are really served well by the Salvation, and I am shocked at how good this all is after trepidation that the sound might be hyperdetailed but too assertive etc. In fact music is reproduced with a relaxed incision, and a welcoming detailed transparency.

The amazing thing is that all of this is not in anyway at the expense of the natural warmth and tonal dimensionality that still puts vinyl way ahead of any digital (imho).

The only thing, and Vic would like this to be known, is that his creation is a cottage industry, and he can only produce limited numbers to order.

I'm happy to answer qs on it, as I really want our community to know about a possible world beating product at real world prices. My tech knowledge will be limited, but no problem discussing sound quality issues.

I'm not affiliated in anyway to the product, just sold my Orbe on ebay and bought this. Regards to all
spiritofmusic
Hi Peter, yes, the Salvation/Terminator is providing that stable platform. The fascinating thing is that I consider them to be the most 'neutral' components in my system, and with the right cartridge provides a fantastically exciting sound. Strangely enough the one thing the Orpheus has always been classed as is 'neutral', so what's going on here? Surely one can't have enough of 'neutral'.
Personally, maybe 'neutral' means 'transparent'. Here, the Salvation/Terminator really provides an open window to the recording via the cartridge. But the Orpheus in conjunction doesn't really do so, sounding flat and uninviting. So maybe the Orpheus' is uncoloured but not transparent. Interesting, inasmuch that the ESCCo Zu 103 cart could never be called uncoloured, I believe it reveals all the way thru a recording, being allowed to do so by the tt/arm. And hence is not as uncoloured but more 'transparent'.
And before I confuse myself further, ha ha, I'll sign off!
I'm gradually changing my mind on the ESCCo modded Zu 103 thru the Salvation/Terminator. It's really proving to be an even handed cart thru this most neutral of platforms, with the slight caveat that it doesn't have the last percent of detail retrieval or soundstaging compared to my Transfiguration Orpheus. And even this is a marginal deficit at most. What's undeniable in my system is that it's the clear winner in tonality, dynamics, PRaT, and overall listener involvement/excitement. All measures of excellent transparency.
But this I believe is really counterbalanced by true listener involvement that I'm not getting from carts at 4-8x the price. Echos of the extreme VFM that the tt/arm is already providing.
My last cart comparison is going to be with the Soundsmith Straingauge, but this will have to provide a really compelling alternative to the ESCCo Zu 103 to make me actively switch.
As Lewm notes I was the privileged buyer of his second L0-7D and frankly I can't understand why anyone would pay mega bucks for new turntables when you can buy for less $ great vintage decks (DD or idler) that spin discs just as good if not better than new models. Caveat is that if I was in the hunt for a new deck I would go for the Oracle Delphi Mk6, even though it is constrained to 9" arms. Now if only I could get a Sony PS-X9 or a Denon Dp-100!!
Radicalsteve and Lewm, why are you talking about the Trio on a Trans Fi thread? I don't doubt it's a great tt, but your discussion needs to be on it's own, or a non belt, thread. I'm trying here to promote to the audio world an amazing overperforming, underpriced marvel of the analogue world.
Spirit, I'm glad you used the word "promote". Because that is exactly what you've been doing. I have no beef with that, but let's not pretend that you've been leading a highly informative audio discussion here. The thread is BOR-ING, so the topic tends to wander around. Sorry about that. The thread would have been long dead were it not for your nearly daily repetitive posts stating how much you love the Trans Fi. If you want others to stick to your topic, you'd better re-invent your topic and make it interesting.