Preamp - what's the purpose?


Intentionally dumb question...

I've heard various 5-15W tube amps in my room. EL84, 300B, etc. They all have input stages and the output stage. I send them a line-level signal from a DAC.

Sitting a few meters away from my loudspeakers, the first watt alone gives me roughly 80db of volume. I think these amps are biased to expect the line level signal directly. Why wouldn't the designer do that?

So what's the point of adding a pre-amp? Why do people do it?

thanks in advance

 

clustrocasual

Been without a pre for over a decade now without withdrawal symptoms, so you might say I’ve survived....sorry ’bout that...Not. *g*

One analog 6x6 matrix, one digital 6x6 includes video & optical, 2 digital eq’s (one for the space, other for whatever)....that’s most of a pre, anyway.

Was gifted with a nice older one ’while back, but looping it in ’proper’ calls for a major physical re-arrange and some more IC spaghetti....

Only been asked once "Why isn’t this up against the wall?"

😒 "C’mere...look...."

"Oh...."

’Puters and amp have their own line cords. all else is low watts & amps on a 3rd line. You can guess the rest...;)

 

 

to manage and organize sources
to send source signals to a power amp


by using gain, impedance matching & whatever im leaving out

 

I have tried it both ways- in my case a PS Audio Direct Stream DAC to an Audio Research SP 15, an Audio Research Ref 6SE and direct to amp.

My experience is this: If I don't mind having lower volume recordings preventing me from getting the DBs I want (I like 80-96DB) DAC to amp is just fine.

Alternatively my SP 15 added a certain brightness to the mid/highs which I wasn't satisfied with. 

My Ref 6 SE was a big volume booster- and nearly neutral. Zero added shades. It did add discernable separation of string instruments (airness?) and the feeling I could "see" behind the cello as it played. I thought that was really cool and worth the price of admission. 

I no longer use phono and CD so switching between sources was not important to me. 

There is also the budget issue. DAC to amp saves you the costs of buying and maintaining a preamp. At least for me having great music and a small budget when I got back into the hobby made DAC to amp a great deal. 

I hope my "eye witness" experience helps you with your decision. 

Functionally: Volume Control is the most common need. Thus a Preamp is an attenuator, most combined with a gain stage. Passive is a switcher, attenuator with no gain stage, perhaps other features.

Pre-Amp, (the pre) (ignoring features, switching, tone/filter/modes/etc) are needed to pre-amplify low level signals up to Line Level, then off to the amp., i.e. Moving Magnet Cartridge’s low signal strength

Any Line Level Strength signal can go straight to the amp, BUT, where is the volume control?

’Back in the Day’: Amps were/are designed to receive ’line level’. Original Sources, i.e. Mono FM produced/sent 1 volt to an amp.

Stereo: you need another amp, stereo source like Stereo FM. Now two 1 volt out to two amps to two speakers.

Vinyl: original ceramic cartridges were strong signal, (remember RIAA EQ had to occur somewhere), originally within the preamp, now often a separate component: then Line Level Signal to Amp. MM cartridge signal strength, stronger than Ceramic, into MM Phono for RIAA EQ, and boosted to line level.

Pre-Pre Amp. MC cartridges, lower signal strength, in order to use existing MM RIAA circuits, needed to be pre-amplified up to MM signal strength, then to MM Phono EQ input, then out at line level. SUTs, i.e. Step Up Transformers are pre-preamp solutions.

Modern sources, i.e. CD Players, digital output ... can send much more than the old 1 volt line level.

Some Preamps, like my current and past McIntosh preamps, and prior Tandberg Receiver, let you ’level’ the various signals to each other, so there is no need to alter the volume control when switching sources, i.e. Phono 1; Phono Two; Tape: matched level controls, then off to the Primary Attenuator.