Clock vs Streamer advice


Hi,

My current system is/was

Aurender N100H>Bricasti MC1>ARC Ref6 Pre>PS BHK 300 monos>B&W 803 D3

I sold the Aurender to try a different streamer and am temporarily using a MacBook to run Roon straight the the DAC through USB. I currently don’t have a huge budget. I emailed a local shop that has a used Melco N1Z to demo at home. I am going to try it out. I also want to try the Bricasti M5 streamer to see if there is synergy with my DAC.

I also came across the Mutec MC3+USB and Mutec Ref10 Nano combination in a similar price point, but I won’t be able to demo this.

If I have to pick between using a mac>Multec MC3+USB and Ref10 Nano>dac and the Melco>DAC option, which do you think will improve sound more. I’m still pretty new to this hobby and can’t currently afford the Melco and Multec combo.

zpatenaude37

Hi @mclinnguy , I hope you are well!

 

I go from router to a Network Acoustics Rubicon Switch, Audioquest Vodka ethernet cable to Grimm MU1, Shunyata Sigma V2 AES cable to DCS Bartok Apex. I also have another Vodka ethernet from switch to Bartok. I once had Muon filter, Muon Pro filter and the Grimm seemed to my ears to be agnostic with those in the chain. If I were to arbitrairly score the Grimm AES feed vs the Bartok’s own streamer over ethernet it would be something like a 92 for the Grimm via AES and an 89 for the Bartok over ethernet. The Bartok streamer is very good but there is perhaps another level of refinement with the Grimm. I have some HDTT DSD recordings so I stream those directly to the Bartok since the Grimm is 24/192. Ironically, many of the downconverted DSD sound better when fed through the Grimm at 24/96 than the DSD version. The Grimm’s clocking and 4fs must have some advantage in that regard. The Taiko would be something like a 95-96 in my system but at the end of the day, there just is no way for me to justify a 3x price differential for a very minor subjective difference.

 

I really, really believe that the clocking in the server is a very real thing with the Grimm. USB users who have focused on their dac’s own clocking might not understand why high end server/streamer A sounds so similar to high end server/streamer B…its because in many cases they may. If you happen to have the opportunity to hear a well done AES stream versus a well done USB stream you may come to the conclusion that the maturity of the AES stream has some advantages depending on the rest of the audio chain. Something else that is very enlightening…connecting some older dacs to the Grimm, perhaps well regarded back in the day, will yield jaw dropping results. For instance, I recently connected a mk1 version of a Merason DAC1 to the the Grimm…made me wonder why I spent the extra money on the DCS….(spoiler alert, its because I already own it LOL)

 

 

@ghasley thanks for the excellent and knowledgeable response. I didn't think you just had a generic ethernet cable only. 😉 I am doing very well, with my new streamer, but I'm not saying what it is yet ha ha. Hope you are well yourself, and it sounds like you are 😁

@zpatenaude37

 

Is your Bricasti MC1 similar to the M1 in that you can have a network card installed?

 

I own a Bricasti M3 and a close friend owns an M1.  We have listened to them using every input.  The network input is, by far, the best input for these DACs.  One of the main reasons is that the network signal path is the shortest to the chipsets inside the chassis according to the designer Mr. Zolner.

My friend compared his insanely purposely built PC using two separate Mutec boxes (master clock then a reclocker) to his M1 and the network input from his home server.  We were able to blindly choose the network input every time.  Nothing changed tonality.  It was all about spatial cues and greater size and delineation of soundstage right/left and front/back.  Oh, BTW, he also uses B&W 802s.

 

TL;DR

Set up a home network if possible and use the Bricasti network card inside your MC1.

“I really, really believe that the clocking in the server is a very real thing”

+1, @ghasley on the importance of clocking in a server/streamer. I have taken a slightly extreme approach by addressing the clocking in a streamer and DAC with a very high quality external master clock that has yielded to a very satisfying listening experience. 

Do you exclusively stream through Roon?  If so and you don't have a big budget then why not Roon Nucleus as  your streamer--then USB to your DAC same as when you used Macbook.  Nucleus is purpose built for Roon, has no fan and even though one user here had a bad experience his situation was unusual.