What qualities stand out in really good solid state preamps?


Recently I posted on the Herron HL-1, asking people what they thought, how it compared, etc. It's been sold and that's ok. The search continues. 

But it raises a question I'd like to ask folks:

What attributes do you look for in a good solid state preamp?

Some qualities — quietness, durability, seem pretty obvious.

But what other criteria do you use to differentiate between solid state preamps?

How can they differ and what matters to you?

Please let me know!

P.S. As I've looked around, I've begun to learn more about some of the legendary preamps — made by companies such as Threshold, Ayre, Bryston, Pass, Apt-Holman, and others. It's good to have these names as references, but it would be even more useful if I knew what these brands conveyed, sonically. I've played with the idea of getting a newer Schiit preamp and then I wonder -- what if there's a "classic" preamp out there, used? What would it deliver that was worth searching for?

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@sameyers1

I assume you’ve found the solid state preamps you’ve tried are more neutral than your tube preamp, with tighter bass, a lower noise floor and perhaps more extended highs.


That’s on the nose. Exactly right. Often, what the tube preamp adds is preferred. But not always -- some recordings benefit from more the SS preamps additional clarity and upper register forthcomingness -- especially orchestral recordings. I like to hear the strings very distinctly, and sometimes this is not coming through with tubes.

Pass XP-12, eh? I’ll keep that in mind and perhaps be able to get one for a while from TMR or a local audiophile.

@mitch2
Fanstastic list! Thank you for taking the time. I’m saving this!
Surprised Bryston never crossed your path.

@jji666

I’m surprised at the lack of focus on the relationship between the preamp and the amp.

I’m assuming that those who have tried multiple preamps are assuming this as part of the evaluation, already, and don’t need to call attention to it. If not, then a lot of opinions here would likely be nullified if, as you’re suggesting, there may very well be a less-than-ideal match between preamp and amp at work.

@hilde45 Ok, since I’m on a roll and correctly assessed the reasons you’re interested in finding a suitable solid state preamp, I will reiterate my recommendation of the Pass Labs XP-12. While it’s their entry level model I found it better than my entry level Ayre K-5emp. It’s a newer design and about double the cost today of what my Ayre cost years ago. But most importantly it is just slightly on the warmer side of neutral, the Pass Labs house sound, and it images better than my Ayre. If you still want a bit of the warmth of tubes, but in a quieter package with more extended highs and tighter bass I think it would be a great fit for your Pass Labs amp, particularly if that amp is your favorite. If your tube Quicksilver amps are your favorite, a more neutral preamp like the Ayre might be better, emphasis on might, but having not listened to your amp/speaker combo I cannot really say. And of course what I found to my liking might not be at all the same as what you like. 
 

So I’m back to encouraging you to audition several in your system before making a final decision. BTW, Moon Audio has a 30-day return policy on new Pass Labs gear. I suspect there are other dealers with the same policy. Return shipping is usually paid by you on a return. 
 

Hope you find what you’re searching for. 

Beyond a volume control and component switching a preamp can help with matching the impedance between the source components and the power amplifier for optimal signal transfer. I think the reason some folks report improvement with a separate preamp is their DAC preamp or power amp are not compatible. Likely the power amp has too low input impedance relative to the DAC  preamp.

 

 

@hilde45 

"Surprised Bryston never crossed your path.''

I always respected Bryston but just never had a good reason to own any of their stuff.  I looked hard at the 28B3 amps for a short time but moved in a different direction.   The thing I always wanted to hear was their speakers, which I suspect may be underrated, but that is just a guess.  Well made gear and a solid company by all accounts.

@decooney “For a component that is "supposed to be neutral", "adding nothing", looking at history of threads and posts over the past 15-20 years…”

You bring up some good empirical evidence that neutral is not what most people are looking for… although they say they are. 
 

@audiophile1 “I’m trying to refrain from using a term “neutral”. I don’t know if my streamer, DAC, interconnects, cables and components downstream from the source are neutral. There’s just no way for me to possibly know that unless I can A/B what I am hearing at home with what it sounds like in the studio mixed…” 

Good point, but.

There is a way to determine neutral. And it is by becoming intimately familiar with acoustic music in multiple venues. I started my quest a couple decades ago when frustrated that improving one genera would make others sound worse. Over ten years with season tickets to the symphony  (7th row  center) and dozens of acoustical jazz and individual instrument concerts I was quite startled to realize what real music and venues sound like. While there are some characteristics of rock concerts that translates to a system most do not. 
 

When I listen to most systems now they do not sound neutral at all. They are often overly detailed… high lighted details that while interesting makes the venue, miking, mixing, or certain instruments stand out. When cymbals sound like solo instruments, or a triangle grabs your attention then that is not neutral.
 

Bass in natural environments is very nuanced… not slam. My earlier concerns about slam is that the fast slap of bass is not real… in the real world symphonies or rock concerts it is a slower wave with nuanced details. Solid state amps tend to be really good at exceptionally fast rise times and over slap. Now I have realized that even really powerful ones tend to run out of power and therefore do not follow through with the detail.. the articulation of the different frequencies and nuances as the bass arrives. This is something tube amps do well, they reproduce the overall bass experience and nuance well, not pardon the phrase “shooting their load of electrons” on the first wave. Or, at least this is my current theory.

Ok, I could go on and on. But I think neutral is actually the objective of few companies and customers. It is what sounds better to them, which is often hearing things they have not heard before or accentuated instruments or frequencies.   But there are companies and folks that are out to reproduce music as it occurs in the real world.