"The Mystery Of Sound Is Mysticism"


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@stuartk, Thank you for giving @mahgister his props! There was no need at all to delete your post:  

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That is/was a blessing to @mahgister! You did/wrote nothing wrong! Thank you!

@mahgister

Mystery Something that is difficult or impossible to explain. backwards

Replacing mysteries by the word wonderful will not replace what i mean by "mystery" ... It is neither esthetically beautiful neither simple amazement; it is entering in Nature intimacy and discovering something ... Read the physicist Henri Bortoft books about Goethe method , which is Leonardo Da Vinci Method as well ...I will say more but i lack the space here ...

 

Mysteries are there not to be explained by words or experiments, they cannot; they are there as something to be perceived as "meanings" and they then transform the observer stance because they cannot be perceived passively by an external observer but ask to be participate ... This method of observation make Goethe able to found the physiology of colors out of the Newtonian corpuscules optics metaphysics..

Read Goethe " there is no theory behind the phenomenon , the phenomenon is the theory"...

This dude dare to contradict Newton alone and win his point ...Perhaps you may learn something from him ...His I.Q. is not less than Newton...😁 He is a Natural scientist on par with Darwin, he died with one of the biggest natural specimen collections...He investigate mammals and plant morphology and found a new morphological approach...He is the greatest writer of Germany on par with Shakespeare...And understood as well as William Blake the materialism dead end in which we live today replaced by the new religion : transhumanism ...He understood it so well that it is him with his Faust gave to us the only adjective describing the transhumanist hubris at6 his roots : Faustian ...

Accountant philosophy is not my philosophy, in my philosophy there is mysteries...

By the way the greatest Romanian philosopher Lucian Blaga which is also the greatest Romanian writer , created a philosophy completely grounded in the concept of Mystery versus simplistic theorizing ...He is very deep, it is a pity there is no translation in english...

 

 

In this conversation, I don’t see a necessity in rigid tribalism.
“Science/data!! Nothing else!!” vs. “mysticism/God!! Nothing else!!”
No thanks.
It’s far more complex than that.

You are right and it is my point to quoting Goethe and mathematicians...

I spoke about the spirituality not about religions, and i speak about meanings , not about mystical or materialistic ideologies ...

In music i am interested by psychoacoustics and the way sound affect consciousness level of everyone monk or not ...

But materialism is an ideological deception as much as religions...

Anyway i dont refuse the word mysticism because in any religions the mystics are the only interesting person, they perceive before speaking ...

One of the best book i read in my life was an unknown writer Alexis-Preyre, he wrote a book called in " le doute liberateur" or The freeing act of doubt" which explain the analogy of method between scepticism and the apophantic  and cataphatic method of the mystics... Mystics doubt in a methodological way it is why they are not loved by Institution... Francesco D'assissi  miss to be put on stake by few inches ...Mystics are potential heretics because of their real experiences and they ressemble each other , nevermind the religions ..