The sound quality from DACs - is it all the same?

You might find the latest episode of the John Darko podcast interesting. Peter Comeau is a guest, discussing audio myths.

Dac is a mature technology now...

@mahgister , not necessarily.....I don’t wanna mention any specific brand names here.... But, some of the "higher end" DACs, i.e. if a manufacturer gets into the FPGA enigma, for example, he can do many things depending on his level of knowledge/competence. Perception of an enormous, immersive ’virtual surround like’ soundstage coming from 2 speakers can be attributed to proprietary algorithms, HRTFs and so on (that’s atleast one case i know of). I assume you are familiar with the BACCH cross talk filters, which is a different strategy than the former.

It is the 3D sound field that eventually gets to your ears and a lot of things can be done in the digital domain to modulate it. If you think of it along those lines, it is not necessarily a mature technology and has much room for improvement.

Wait for big boys like Sony to put something like their 360 reality audio inside a 2 channel hifi dac. You may get something for a 1000 bucks or 2000 bucks that took your listening experience a few notches higher than a 80k donkey dac.

ASR seems to assert that only specs and measurements matter.  Some specs are worthless, such as speaker specs generally.  

Measurements are a starting point. Magazine reviews are interesting, although consistently positive.  Consumer shows present equipment under difficult and demanding circumstances such as the tiny rooms.  Listening to equipment at AXPONA is revealing.  
 

Listening to the equipment properly set up in your own room  is the only real test.  The specs, the measurements and the self-anointed experts (with the attendant Dunning- Kruger effect) will no longer matter when you judge it yourself, in your own home, without the unnecessary distractions.

For sure you are right ... 😊

BACCH Filters coupled to a dac or integrated with one is the next level technology...

Classical dac technology is mature in the perspective of the ratio sound quality versus price...

Thats all my remark meaning...

There is less difference between low cost dac and higher costly one than a decade ago...

Then upgrading a relatively good dac to another relatively good dac, if you like your acutal synergy experience with the other components, makes less sense than upgrading  immediately to BACCH system the next level where two technology are integrated to  another type of general DSP level...

I own 4 basic low cost dac and the differences between them is immediately perceptible but each one has his own function and synergy potential  but throwing many, many thousand dollars to upgrade any of them make less sense now than investing in BACCH filters  or way better other  investing in other components or investing in  embeddings mechanical and electrical or acoustical controls which will be more impactful together than any classical dac of any type upgrades... Better to buy BACCH or transform your room acoustic...If with your actual dac the synergy please you already for sure...

Dac is a mature technology now...

@mahgister , not necessarily.....I don’t wanna mention any specific brand names here.... But, some of the "higher end" DACs, i.e. if a manufacturer gets into the FPGA enigma, for example, he can do many things depending on his level of knowledge/competence. Perception of an enormous, immersive ’virtual surround like’ soundstage coming from 2 speakers can be attributed to proprietary algorithms, HRTFs and so on (that’s atleast one case i know of). I assume you are familiar with the BACCH cross talk filters, which is a different strategy than the former.

It is the 3D sound field that eventually gets to your ears and a lot of things can be done in the digital domain to modulate it. If you think of it along those lines, it is not necessarily a mature technology and has much room for improvement.

Wait for big boys like Sony to put something like their 360 reality audio inside a 2 channel hifi dac. You may get something for a 1000 bucks or 2000 bucks that took your listening experience a few notches higher than a 80k donkey dac.

A generalization like this is bollocks (..a suitable UK term that I will borrow herein , but you get the picture ,.).

(1) the audio performance differences in cheap versus high-end DAC audio performance are clear and unambiguous when you ascend into the high end audio systems pricepoint strata, with their resolution capabilities worthy of the added not insignificant cash outlay. Simply put , it is entirely system dependent ,

(2) Go test drive it for yourself instead of being mired in a lot of forum hyperbole. . Toddle down to your fave dealer bricks and mortar store with a suitable fine high-end system to personally audition the DAC options; ranging from the cheap build to high-end build (and price) alternatives. The objective is to differentiate the DAC contenders audio performance from the many pretenders .