Let's Talk DAC's


My current DAC, the Chord Chordette Qute HD is getting on with age and I am looking for a new one with superior performance. So far, I have narrowed down my search to five DACs. At the low end is the Denafrips Ares II and the Eversolo DAC Z8. Mid range the RME ADI-2 and at the top end the Chord Qutest and the Denafrips Pontus II.

This is for an all-digital setup in a 12x12 dedicated room. I have a much larger room with a much "bigger" set up, but for this room it is a simple PrimaLuna Prologue Classic integrated, Audiolab 6000 CD transport, ProAc Tablette 10’s, and a REL T/5i Subwoofer. I plan to add a streamer as well, but that is for another discussion.

I am conflicted with the choice between a delta-sigma modulated DAC and an R2R type Dac. I do like the FPGA technology in my current DAC. It has served me well.

I am certainly open to other ideas and welcome comments from those of you that have experience with this equipment.

I forgot to add; I like a wide and deep soundstage and good imaging. I also hate a rolled off high end.

 

 

 

 

desperado915

You say you want better. Better what?  Consider your use and source. Then consider if you really need to change, or like so many of us, just got that bug which of course is a perfectly good reason for a change.   Modern electronics have fantastically flat responses. Rolled off top end is going to be your speakers, room, and ears. Not the electronics.   Linear distortion is easy as can be corrected by eq. 

Biggest improvement I did in my DACs was to reduce the output of JRiver by 3 dB.  It made my DACs sound much more alike by suppressing edginess or "digititus" quite a bit.  Chord and RME both mention this as an issue with digital filters which may be why they don't seem to have the same issue as most chip DS DACs. Maybe the preference for NOS R2R DACs by some.  Seems reasonable as it describes a real measurable issue that does not require any magic. . Enough so I am finished on my desktop system. Not sure on my main stereo. 

You don't have the Gustard's on your list. R26, A26. ( A26 has a streamer/renderer i it)   Some like the Mojo better than the Qutest my local Chord dealer tells me.   Like everything, you get to diminishing returns real fast.  The sonic difference between an Atom+ and a D90 is not that great. ( two price ends of generic chip DACs)  Either it takes a lot more money for a true step up, or steps are very small.  Amazon is probably hating me for returns but that is the marketing path of so much these days. ( 2 toppings, 1 SMSL, 1 Sabaj)

The RME is old, but I get the impression it was just done very well so unless looking for some specific parameter that stands out, it is still a viable option.  I want to try one. Maybe it is like the good old Vanderstein 2Ce. Does nothing wrong. Nothing great, but nothing wrong.  There's a lot to be said for that.

My short list is down to Qutest, Mojo, Rme,  A26, and Enyo ( name changed for the Aris when they raised the price)  I can't justify the next step up even if breaching $3K is where the differences may start to show.  Holo, Terminator, Hugo TT Weiss, etc.    I really want to try an A26 in my system, but $1500 had better be a huge difference for 15 times the price over my JDS, not just a subtle detail. I can buy a lot more CD's for that much money and for me, music matters most. 

If someone would PLEASE make a midrange to cover 500 to 5K with efficiency to work with 6 to 8 inch woofers, I would gladly use that $1500 there! I have been searching for a good midrange for 40 years. Speakers are and will always be the weakest link. I do not have the space for planer or ES speakers or I would have them. Get the stinking crossover out of the vocal range!

 

 

you might want to take a look at the Wyred4Sound 10th anniversary dac,the reviews on it have been stellar, one of the reviewers put it up against his VPI turntable with a $5,000 Japanese cartridge and he said that the 10th anniversary DAC was every bit as analog sounding, on that review I bought it because they give a 30-day trial period and I totally agree It's one of the most analog DACs that I've ever heard and I kept it It's not cheap it's $4,500 US but well worth it.

I just sold the RME DAC.  It is not a plug and play unit .  I never could figure out what buttons to push to do the numerous things it can do.  I replaced it with a Geshilli J2s ($600ish), far superior to the RME.  Do not be skeptical of this unit due to the low price……it is magnificent!!!!

Why bother if you’re looking all lower performance DACs, Giant killers are a fallacy, yes there are okay low end DACs out there but really they are no better than your iPad. As @pennfootball71 said save some money and look further up the line, Limpazator, LessLoss, Simaudio, Aqua, Briscatti……your ears will thank you.

@desperado915 

I’m not sure you are going to do any better than the Aries in your price range.  A different sound yes, but all around, no. Until you get to the Pontus ll.  I bought a Pontus ll a couple of years ago and haven’t found another DAC that sounds as good to me until I almost doubled the price. 
I’ve thought about buying a Venus ll, but my wife thinks otherwise 😆

All the best.