Why Do Cables Matter?


To me, all you need is low L, C, and R. I run Mogami W3104 bi-wire from my McIntosh MAC7200 to my Martin Logan Theos. We all know that a chain is only as strong as its' weakest link - so I am honestly confused by all this cable discussion. 

What kind of wiring goes from the transistor or tube to the amplifier speaker binding post inside the amplifier? It is usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper. Then we are supposed to install 5 - 10' or so of wallet-emptying, pipe-sized pure CU or AG with "special configurations" to the speaker terminals?

What kind of wiring is inside the speaker from the terminals to the crossover, and from the crossover to the drivers? Usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper.

So you have "weak links" inside the amplifier, and inside the speaker, so why bother with mega expensive cabling between the two? It doesn't make logical sense to me. It makes more sense to match the quality of your speaker wires with the existing wires in the signal path [inside the amplifier and inside the speaker].

 

 

kinarow1

At least some designers of high end cables have obtained patents for their products and designs.

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/caelin-gabriel

And these patent applications have received some review by qualified engineers to determine if there are any technical grounds justifying award.

“Patent examiners review patent applications to determine whether the invention(s) claimed in each of them should be granted a patent or whether the application should instead be refused. One of the most important tasks of a patent examiner is to review the disclosure in the application and to compare it to the prior art. This involves reading and understanding a patent application, searching the prior art (including prior patent applications and patents, scientific literature databases, etc.) to determine what contribution the invention makes over the prior art, and issuing office actions to explain to the applicants and their representatives (i.e., patent attorneys or agents) any objections that may exist against the grant of a patent. In other words, an examiner reviews a patent application substantively to determine whether it complies with the legal requirements for granting of a patent. A claimed invention must meet patentability requirements of noveltyinventive step or non-obviousnessindustrial application(or utility) and sufficiency of disclosure.”

From Wikipedia article titled “Patent Examiner”

If people think they matter then they matter.

My personal view is on the grand scale of things, practically, wires are not a big deal. Get some good quality ones if needed, get all the rest right and you are in good shape. If it still matters to you then try something different and see. Expensive wires are very practical to buy used. Not too much that can go wrong with them over time compared to the more complex devices. Let other people pay top dollar if they must.

At least some designers of high end cables have obtained patents for their products and designs.

 

Patent examiners by and large are overworked, underpaid and not expert.

Michael Jackson was able to patent his ’moonwalk’ shoes ... something used since the 1880’s music halls.

Just for laughs, when I see a patent on HiFi gear these days, I read it...

... if I can while ROTFLMFAO 🤣

@asctim says:

”If someone was curious to hear more clearly what various cables do to the sound, it seems they could be tried with long cable runs, like maybe 100 feet. Surely that would exaggerate whatever change the cable is making compared to another cable of the same length. They might both sound bad at that length, but in different ways.”

Cable length seems to be discussed most often in terms of speaker cables (keep them short to reduce signal loss, or keep them above a minimum length to match amplifier properties (Naim), and digital cables (1.5ft or greater to reduce reflections in the cable).  Balanced cables are preferred in pro audio for low level signals to reduce signal loss on long runs.  Lot’s of discussion of this topic on this and other forums, check it out.

But length is only one parameter in cable performance, and the one that the end user has universal control over in the selection process, whether buying lamp cord or exotic six figure wires.  One could argue long runs could require more care in cable selection and matching cables to your particular gear than shorter runs because of greater chances for selective loss of certain signal frequencies, smear in time domains, interference in electrically noisy environments, or compounding or decreasing negative gear/cable interactions unique to your system.

Speaking of electrically noisy environments, how about the environment right behind your integrated amp or preamp, where high and low level analog signals cross paths with high level power supply cables and various ethernet, USB and coax digital cables?  This is where cable technologies that tame interference and keep various signal forms in their respective lanes really pays off.  The performance benefits of good design here are generally independent of cable length (unless various cables are coiling on top of each other in a pile behind your gear) and, I think, one element in answering the original question “why do cables matter”.  YMMV

kn

What do you want your cables to do? Magically and dramatically change the sound of your system?

That’s unlikely, unless they are junk and don’t perform the basic function of getting a signal from one place to another.

They can and do sometimes improve sound quality, but usually incrementally. If your ears amid the rest of the system can’t detect/convey the difference, don’t waste your money on cables.

If you're looking for that last bit of performance, then yes, everything matters. Don't denigrate others simply because they're willing to take things to another level than you can/will.

Personally, I buy cables primarily on need. For example, if my turntable has a hum, it may be grounding or I may need a cable with insulation that will shield the signal.

Besides shielding, other considerations include connectors, length, flexibility, and yes, looks. 

Turntable cables probably matter most, others typically have less impact.