$50k - $80k Budget…Opinions please.


Long story short, I sold my beloved 2-channel to reduce family debt. In about a year-ish, I’ll be in a position to rebuild with a hefty budget. I loved my Harbeth + Pass Labs combo. My REL sub died before I really got to integrate it, so opinions wanted there as well. I fully understand the diminishing margin of returns when moving into some arenas, but that’s ok, opinions are strongly encouraged.

I listen to a lot of Miles Davis/Coltrane, Radiohead, Tool, Pearl Jam, Brent Cobb. I’ve often preferred “organic” or neutral, not sure how technical that is.

toddcowles

Magico, Rockport, Vinberg (some great reviews) 

@bobfun - at AXPONA 2022 last year, I demoed the Magico A5 and the Rockport Atria II to help finalize my final speaker purchase.  The Magico’s had better treble highs but the Rockport sounded more together but less forward.  I heard the Vimberg Minos which sounded fantastic, but it had the diamond tweeter upgrade which added $10k so I assumed it was out of my budget.  After the show, I spoke to my dealer Chris at Artisan Fidelity and told him about these 3 speakers, so a few back and forth raising my budget and lowering the price until a deal was reached. So I’m a proud owner of the Vimberg Mino D. 

@toddcowles 

I’m at the THE Show in Los Angeles and plan to go to the Pacific Audio Fest in a couple of weeks.  I suggest that you attend High-end audio shows to see and hear what YOU like.  I like Magico and YG speakers, but Wilson speakers never resonated with me…yet.   Speakers sound different so it’s best you hear first hand.
 

The largest North American show EXPONA just past, but there are a few other shows.

DarTzeel LHC-208 integrated amp together with Stenheim 03 speakers will give you an organic sound you will be very happy with.

I have to say, I do agree with gavman about Macintosh.

Most 80K systems will be 'hi fi" sounding rather than organic.Think Wilsons,Magico,Focal etc Which means that you will get sick of it and hardly use it .I have friends with Magico speakers who simply stopped listening to them.Or hop on the "upgrade " path which will only lead to more expense and frustration.

You could do a lot worse than vintage Tannoy  Monitor Gold 15s in a nice big Onken box [say $8000]  [or some Harbeths] and a Chinese copy of a Dartzeel NHB108  [about $1000] power amp and a Supratek preamp.[Say $4500] Those just make  lovely music and are organic  but are also high enough resolution.

This thread is absolute madness. From a financial point of view you should not be "saving up" for a system, at least not in the traditional sence, I will expand upon that in a bit. This is a hobby, a complely unnecessary indulgence. You should be able to pay for your entire system without taking on debt or dipping into retirement savings that are intended to maintain your current status of living. If you are past retirement age, and still in a position to spend 50-80k on your hobby without materially impacting your future, then go right ahead. But OP has made a few comments that has me doubting their financial position.

If you want to get an idea of a responsible budget, you can use the 1% rule which allows for spending 1% per year of your total net worth on luxury items. Luxury items can mean anything from travel, goods, services etc. Pretty much anything that you don’t really need to purchase. So to have a budget of 50-80k on Hifi I would expect your total net worth should be in the 5-8m range (potentially lower when you account for resale value). Net worth is total assets - total liabilites. If you are ultimatly responsible for a portion of family debts beyond your immediate household, you should factor those in along with your liabilities.

Given the 1% rule allows provides an annual spending limit you can save up for a system buy buying it over time and keeping within that annual amount. But dont forget to add in other luxury costs like travel, and expenses from other members of your household. I’m assuming HiFi isnt your only indulgence. Now here’s where things get interesting. Unlike travel or service expenses, you can use a modifier for audio gear since there is resale value on these items which is typically 30-50% from new, or much higher when buying used. Example- lets say you buy a used Gryphon Diablo 300 for 10k. You should be able to comfortably sell that for 8k a few years from now making its total cost 2k, maybe a bit higher due to shipping etc but you get the idea. Take 1% of your total net worth, figure out what your other luxury expenditures are, and what’s left over is what you can spend per year on your this system and adjust back up to account for the resale value of the items. If you find yourself short on budget either scale things back and/or look into the used marketplace.

 

I’m not sure there is a financial rule that best suits everyone. Everyone is different in priorities, values in possessions, risk, and how they manage their life.