Vibration isolation or absorption?

Mr. @audiopoint

Thank you for all your comments. It would be of interest to see your system and how it’s configured with all this vibration stuff but I don’t see anything there.

It would be nice to see something on your system thanks

Atmasphere,

You missed my point. 

Killing vibration is stupidity because you cannot destroy it. 

I don't think so. Its pretty obvious something else is going on here that has nothing to do with vibration...

You seem to be taking a negative view on isolation and absorption merchandise sold by audio enthusiasts. And then in your final section you say that vibration management tools makes sense as part of the sound reproduction process.

Hello, emergingsoul,

Sorry for taking so long to respond to your post. 

I have witnessed many parts and products that change the sound of a system. Anyone working in this Industry since the 80s has gone through the get-rich-quick schemes using everything imaginable. I can change the sound of your system with a box of chicken bones. I can kill the live dynamics using too much material. It is easy to change the sound of any system.

The 90s exposed vibration control to a state of this product is better than that mentality. Snake oil was the most descriptive term in our sector of the marketplace. 

Nowadays, everyone is a vibration expert. Even wire companies have so-called experts in the field. A few short years ago, there was only a handful of us, so I have a few personal issues with our industry. Marketing and storytelling are the primary ones.

We use vibration as a tool to increase dynamics and harmonic structures. The downside to vibration is many of them combine to form resonance. Resonance is like glue clogging, sticking to, and blocking signal strength. The reduction and evacuation of resonance as it develops, in real-time, allows for more signal increase and sound quality to emerge throughout the system.

Can you please clarify what you’re saying and provide examples of how someone would improvement to eliminate vibrations that are detrimental too good sound reproduction, which I’m sure exist somewhere. 

Vibration is sound. The initial pulses contain all the harmonic structures and live dynamics we seek as listeners to obtain and maintain in our systems. 

Vibrations that lack efficient mechanical grounding systems develop various amplitudes of resonance. Resonance builds layers and propagates on all smooth surfaces. It clogs all signal pathways from mechanical, electro-mechanical, and acoustic.

The focus is to transfer these resonance amplitudes at high speed to Earth’s grounding plane hence direct coupling. All energy seeks ground - physics class 101.

Resonance is the culprit in our understanding. 

Vibration is the musical lifeblood.

Components, speakers, and listening environments vibrate and always will. 

Electricity provides the energy that establishes vibration. There are vibrational properties in all power sources, electricity being the most used by audiophiles.

The room structure will continuously vibrate. Everything vibrates, so it does not matter where the vibrations come from. Every type of energy is in a constant state of vibration and motion.

Jumping up and down in a listening environment is physically induced, creating additional problems. These are not good for sound or audio analogies. If an audible deterrent does not exist, do not make one!

my subwoofer cabinet directly vibrates my floor which causes vibration noise from things on my shelf, an aluminum window frame, loose knickknacks, but if I put a squishy isolator disc thing between the feet of the subwoofer and the wooden floor it tends to absorb the sub cabinet vibrations and improve dispersion of pressure amplitudes more evenly throughout the room which is ideal for a sub.

Good Point:

I used foams, rubber, Sorbathanes, sands, and other primary absorbent materials when working in recording studios in the 70s. These materials will eat all energy and provide a deader lifeless sound quality. Establishing geometry and producing a formula for adaptations on musical instruments and other hi-fi products using these materials is impossible to implement. They eat harmonics, dynamics, and vibrations but end up sounding dead.

We can improve your listening situation. I financially guarantee our work and products. 

I will work with you to teach, recommend products, and improve your system via personal contact.

We have worked with thousands of listeners and audiophiles studying vibration management, researching principles, and advancing product innovation. Before I become labeled a shill, call me and allow me the time to advance your knowledge and understanding of sound and musical quality.

Resonance Energy Transfer is a highly reliable technology. 

Robert

 

 

Robert, I find your continued dishonesty, coupled with arrogance, to be deeply off-putting.  

OK Whipsaw, 

If you have nothing for me on a technical or musical level, please write me off. 

You have attacked my honesty. That aggravates me to no end, so before I return the favor, this is for you. 

Permit me to defend myself. 

Do not reply using the shill response tactic because that will not affect me in any way whatsoever. 

I toured live sound as a FOH and Monitor engineer from 1973 through 1984 and worked with a lengthy list of the finest musicians and recording stars. Some have passed, and a few to date remain touring stadium venues. During that time, I also worked as a stage manager at the Roxy Theater and mixed music in a few of the finest recording studios in the USA.

Due to a back injury, my professional sound career was cut short, so I spent the next thirty-nine years in the High-End Audio business studying and working with vibration and resonance.

The first product, Audio Points was released for public consumption in 1988 and sold more than one million units two years ago. They are still selling, setting new sales records year in and year out. One would think hundreds of them would be for sale in the used market, so where are they?

Audio Points led us to manufacture variable-height wood shelving using threaded rods on equipment racking through the 90s. The next step was the Sistrum Platforms that sold from 2000 through 2014. As our technology advanced, the Sistrums were discontinued for the Rhythm Platforms that remain our current offerings.

We innovated the Brass End Pins for cello, bass clarinet, and acoustic bass are selling throughout the world.

The Energy Room. A first-of-its-kind product in the Audio Industry is posted on our website.

Now we are advancing the technology to new levels showing heat reduction and energy conservation. A single technology with many arms and all of them are proving positive.  

You are listed as a member since 2004. My guess is you did not take part in any of the earlier threads on AudioGon where I was one of the first to note ownership in a vibration management business.

There are many threads in the past where I provided listeners with differences in how things work. Max jumped up and down on the floor displaying his top-of-the-line product and comparing it to a few dollars worth of cheap spikes. Then there was the acoustic engineer with the aluminum cone and a tiny handheld music box stating our technology cannot work. How about the other company you believe to be a leader again comparing their top-end products with the one-dollar nail head spike? 

How far do you want me to go? There is more marketing versus science going on in the decoupling world. But you believe in their processes so continue with that knowledge, and I hope you reach your goals. 

My offer of placing our products in your system still stands. Why not let your ears decide?

Robert

 

I tried to warn you guys, arguing is futile, so it is best to just... 

Believe It or Not.

Robert, I have been here a long time (since 99) and I have watched you verbosely try and convince others that your science and products are the clear winner, on thread after thread, in a hobby where there will never be an accepted clear winner.  Many here seem to like your products, so don't try so hard.  You are wearing people out.