Are audiophile products designed to initially impress then fatigue to make you upgrade?


If not why are many hardly using the systems they assembled, why are so many upgrading fairly new gear that’s fully working? Seems to me many are designed to impress reviewers, show-goers, short-term listeners, and on the sales floor but once in a home system, in the long run, they fatigue users fail to engage and make you feel something is missing so back you go with piles of cash.

128x128johnk

@cdc

Stereo relies on an equilateral triangle to maintain the "phantom center". You need very high quality amplification to create a soundstage that goes beyond the speakers location. You need to pressurize the room if you want a true concert like experience and that requires speakers that are big enough for your room to get it done. All of this is painstaking to dial in for the ONE MLP in the room and if you move anything start over and good luck with that. Granted, do all of the above, sit in the right spot and as long as you don’t move it sounds good as long as the material you are listening to is typically presented in FRONT of the listener like acoustic trios, piano, female vocals. All the stuff they dish out at audio shows (for a very good reason). This is not a scheme, it is just what you are forced to do because the recording engineer was forced to compress x number of instruments, voices, and room reverb into ONLY two channels. Ask any engineer if they want a bigger palate than two and see what they say (duh).

Now once you drop in a center channel no more "phantom" and you can move around the room and vocals still come from the center, what a concept. Atmos is object based, the engineer can place objects specifically in the mix. Atmos "sees" you speakers layout and will try and recreate that object at the same location. More speakers=more freedom for the preciseness the engineer employed. Less speakers (or headphones) it still works. A SOA two channel preamp (like the AudioNote M10) is $100K+. A SOA immersive preamp (like the Trinnov) is between $20K and $30 depending on how you configure it.

As for speakers a pair of of SOA speakers can easily cost more than $25K, add the amps and that can easily be another $10K. This is not a ripoff, its simply necessary to have two speakers fill a room with a high quality believable soundstage (uhhh IF you are in the sweetspot).

When you employ 5 or 7 or 9 bed channels and 2 or 4 or 6 height channels you don’t NEED all of that power. Think of the driver coverage in just two speakers with 8 inch woofers for example (16 inches total). Now think of the total driver coverage of 9 speakers (5 beds and 4 heights) with 6 inch woofers (54 inches total). You can get a completely immersive soundstage as "objects" appear in the mix where the engineer placed them in the mix or at least close if you have fewer speakers.

Now, stereo needs and equilateral triangle. Immersive audio need the layout of the specs of whatever format you want to use (dolby or auro 3d are a bit different).

Now with stereo you get what you get. With an atmos setup I can still listen to a two channel mix in stereo. But I got options to upmix whatever I want to as many speakers as I want AND every seat is a "sweet spot" as the "phantom" center is now an "actual" center, just like if someone was singing or talking from that same spot in the room, it will always sound like its coming from the center, wherever you sit.

 

 

To answer your questions NO.  It's funny how we in the audio industry has change so much from the 60s 80s to now. We went from tone controls to without and now tone controls are coming back. We went from ten inch to 15 inch woofers then to 6 inch to eight inch woofers. The sub woofer even came into play. Different cabinet design shape and sizes.  Book shelf speakers. Hell it's a new speaker coming out and the cabinet has a layer of alligator skin on it. I am not knocking none of this I am just trying to say there is a lot of audio equipment out there you have to know what type of music you mostly listen to and what speaker perform the best to your ears and a long or short period of time. That could be a fun and interesting journey.  There is plenty types of speaker designs to choose from. Horn design  dome tweeter paper cone tweeter amt the list goes on and on. I have personally have five different types of speakers set in my home because they all have there areas where they shine. Just remember what sounds darn good to YOUR ears.. 

We should ask this question from another perspective:

How do I differentiate my product if everyone is making an excellent, neutral sounding device?

This is the product manager’s dilemma in a nutshell in audio. In the HT space there’s a ton of must-have features/brands that get associated with a purchase:

  • THX
  • Dolby
  • DTS
  • Atmos

but in audio, sounding different is actually key to a quick sale. Going to the store and finding something you don’t already have at home. Ragged frequency responses which accentuate some bands and not others are an easy win.

@erik_squires

Going to the store and finding something you don’t already have at home.

+1, if you already have a "stereo" don’t keep buying/upgrading MORE stereo.

Supplement (not replace) with an immersive audio layout.

BTW, anyone who decides to simply get better two channels, fine. Don’t max out your credit card, just get a pair of all in one, active speakers and you are done. For example:

Dynaudio Focus 50- Best Product 2022

https://youtu.be/uqeqwTW8y5I