Tube amps - what 3 things…


Hello all,
 

I am close to purchasing a tube amp moving away from SS. So far I have listened to a pure sound, PL, and allnic. 


Question for all you experienced owners - if you could do it all over again, what 3 things/features would you look for in an amplifier and what 3 things/features would you not invest in again?

 

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I have a selection of amps including Naim (solid state), Vincent pre / power (Hybrid) and recent Cayin (tubes). Currently despite being the cheapest the Cayin clearly wins in my system (but with EL34 tubes not KT88's). Three lessons, 1, forget the technology listen to the amplifier. 2, some speakers suit some amplifiers, some do not, listen to speakers first then buy an amplifier that suits them. 3, don't be hung up on price, I auditioned at least 20 tube amplifiers before buying I am perfectly happy with the cheapest, by a long, long way. Features, don't pay for ones you don't need, they add cost and complication. Think cars with multiple 'drive' settings, the 1st month you try them all, 95% will never change them after that. 

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Cathode bias is not a good thing in input and driver stages, not just in the output stage.

I tried one solution in my DIY SET 300B amp. There is 6sn7 input tube and 6F6G in triode mode driver tube with coupling capacitors between stages. The solution is very big, around 100000uF cathode capacitance in the input and in the driver tube. It gave a huge improvement in everything: bass, soundstage, separation, high resolution.
It is a pity the same solution can't be used in the output tube cathode, because of high current start-up issues. The Maximum capacitor I can put in my 300B cathode is 5000uF. It improved sound but it can't exchange fixed bias in terms of SQ. 

Cathode bias is not a good thing in input and driver stages, not just in the output stage.

I tried one solution in my DIY SET 300B amp. There is 6sn7 input tube and 6F6G in triode mode driver tube with coupling capacitors between stages. The solution is very big, around 100000uF cathode capacitance in the input and in the driver tube. It gave a huge improvement in everything: bass, soundstage, separation, high resolution.
It is a pity the same solution can't be used in the output tube cathode, because of high current start-up issues. The Maximum capacitor I can put in my 300B cathode is 5000uF. It improved sound but it can't exchange fixed bias in terms of SQ. 

@alexberger I've yet to see a voltage amplifier or driver circuit that isn't cathode biased. When a cathode bypass capacitor is used, its still cathode bias. Its not cathode bias when you have a manual bias adjustment to make, or the amplifier is employing some form of autobias (both are forms of 'fixed bias' since the bias adjustment is made via the grid).

I've read controversy around the sonic differences between cathode bias and fixed bias but IME its really about design and how well the circuit is executed. Both types work just fine.