Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?


After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler

@kenjit

bolderdash...all of the above.

Why is he trying to "expose the truth about high-end audio?" who exactly does that benefit? How do you know that costly audio products (in that particular price range) are scams?!

He is sharing what he believes to be objective data that does not translate in to real-world performance...we all know that gear he praises so often costs pennies on the dollar to build..v-chip computer-grade capacitors, OP amps, no discrete components or fuses, etc.

And you know this...how?! You are actually suggesting that well-known or reputable or popular audio brands do not employ qualified employees? How dare you! The ASR group?!! never heard of it. ASR is not like JEDEC: stop dreaming...

Really? You, Admin and friends have enfeebled their minds and made them believe that only ASR is right?! Well good then, because who cares.

The concept here is...costly = scam. Cheap = good. Measurements = everything.

Right?!

That’s like saying michelin star restaurants are a scam, high-end cars are a scam, luxury housing is scam, high-end computers are a scam, etc.

Most importantly, why on earth do you and Amir care so much about what others believe? Like my grandfather used to say..LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Let others live how they want to without interferring in their lives.Let folks in this audio hobby spend their money on what they want...

If you change someone’s mind...what is in it for you?

In no other industry does such a person or community exist...one who tries with such effort (yet ultimately futile attempts) to convince the masses that their train of thought and beliefs are misguided or just plain wrong. With no one else do we argue about "being objective" vs being "subjective." We all require the use of descriptive language to communicate to others our listening impressions. That is not difficult to understand.

How much did Amir pay you to post for him?

@amir_asr

The problem we have is that audio companies think they can just feed you marketing claims and you accept it.

This is ASR defined, you are here feeding your own marketing claims. I am not insulted at all, but did I "accept it" 🤣🤣🤣

@amir_asr do you really want to measure something, let’s start with your OWN room OK?
I’ll go first and if I win I am taking your crown as the new "king of measurements". May the best microphone win 😂😂😂😎:

The concept here is...costly = scam. Cheap = good. Measurements = everything.Right?!

We have tested the chinese DACs and found them to offer superior distortion. They are priced fairly based on cost of parts. Why pay ten or twenty times more for inferior performance? Who does that benefit? It only profits the high end companies.

Good measurements are not everything but neither are listening tests alone.

Most importantly, why on earth do you and Amir care so much about what others believe? Like my grandfather used to say..LIVE AND LET LIVE.

We care about elevating the standards in the audio industry. If theres too much junk out there, that cant happen. We are here to promote the basic principle of high end audio which is perfect sound quality. If you do not subscribe to this, you are the one that does not belong in our community. We do not want our community standards to be compromised or tainted.

He is sharing what he believes to be objective data that does not translate in to real-world performance..

Listening tests can vary depending on your ears your room your setup. We are here to test the performance of the gear without those variables. 

@kenjit

You, Amir, your site admin, and others who are tasked with this pursuit are not the Power Rangers, Marvel/DC Superheros, Saints, Pastors, or the defends of this audio industry. Nobody asked you to take on such a responsibility and become a "gatekeeper of truth" for everyone in this audio hobby. Like I said before the "ASR group" LOL is not a certified or universally respected standards organization. You and team do not create and enforce standards for ANYTHING AT ALL with audio electronics.

The scare tactic is merely measurements...which have caused an uproar from the truly enlightened and intelligent in this hobby who know they are not all-important (measurements alone) and trying to bait manufacutrers in to producing better-measuring audio gear...since now they know Amir and team will be on their radar; trying to bash their company and efforts.

Instead, all of you are self-proclaimed gurus who have exasperated existing problems in the audio industry as a whole to unanticipated heights!

ASR is powerless to influence the highest ranks of this industry; such as the top-most Studios, wealthy audiophiles, and audio dealers. I double-dog dare Amir and team to call up a music studio in Hollywood, the UK, Japan, etc anywhere in Europe and suggest these budget products. See what happens. Once again, he will be treated like a laughing stock...

I have spoken to almost a dozen real audio dealers about ASR; and we have had many good laughs about the website and testing methods. @amir_asr Amir, you do not owe the world anything. If only you would retire for good from ASR and working in general, buy the system you want in its entirety, have a good and happy life with your real friends and family, enjoy listening to music on your own terms, and ultimately leave others alone...you would have much less stress in your life.

You are creating all kinds of dichotomies, rivaries, and conflicts between others simply because you always must interject your opinions and beleifs on the masses. Once again, I ask why? I may have found proof your collusion (at least hinting at it) with select brands you review. Want me to post it on here so everyone can see?

To be honest with you, I could not care less if you are discredited on every major platform to date...wait a minute...you already have been. I don’t give a damn about your reputation. Only your site admin, site minions, and you care about you. I don’t.

No, I do not care about destroying your reputation, but others have done it before countless times. I do not have any personal beef with you, nor do I hate you as a person. Now that’s hard to believe right? I am a well-meaning person. When you get on my nerves and keep spewing nonsense, you or anyone deserves backlash that crushes and dismantles your entire belief system, and we’ve already given you that over and over.

Someone like Gene DellaSala is already an objective eye in this industry. We do not need you @amir_asr ! Ultimately, our purchase decisions will be made spending our own money, not yours.

I shall not respond further to your minion - @kenjit whose username sounds familar when I was a member on ASR...he has gone though the ASR stadards protal and landed here...on Audiogon. Big mistake. This webiste is populated by knowledgable audiophiles and pro audio folks who know their stuff. Amir, did you actually believe that you alone possess superior knowledge in audio?! Give it up already. You will be happier and perhaps even live a longer life without all this added stress that you bring upon yourself!

So once again water horse... @amir_asr I’ll give you two options:

1) Respond to the logical retort that @kota1 has presented to you above (which you previously attacked on another discussion; stating that his software results were incorrect or inconclusive; how do you know this without actually being there in person and confirming said test results? Well you don’t. You lack a stupendous amount of creds and it shows, Amir.

You want real knowledge? Well here it goes:

RMAF15: What The Specs Don’t Tell You… And Why (from an Audio Precision Employee)

The "mad scientist" of Sony audio (someone who actually has designed audio electronics; talking about what matters).

Reach out to a Techical Director at Studio @amir_asr You would get absolutely swamped such that you, being a gigantic water horse with grandiose narcissism would drown under the waters of real objective truth in this industry.

2) Take a bow and admit you’re wrong. Rihanna - Take A Bow

No matter what you try @amir_asr , you will always be taken down by people who have more knowldedge/experience/credentials than you. Always remember that!! - And with great power, comes great responsibility. (You have lead an entire community or flock of now-minions astray on ASR). You also damage the minds of laypersons who want to explore this hobby. Once folks find out that just because an audio device produces output (that does not make it good) they will hunt you down like a bad dog and hold you accountable. Don’t make me talk to my industry connections worldwide lol ...there could be a lot of troube in store for you.

@mastering92 : what are you doing? You realize you are simply giving Amir and his worshippers (what you call minions) another platform, a tool to generate even more clicks to the site they already own?

 

Think. Why is he posting here? Isn’t a full site he currently own, apparently most popular audio site in the entire audio world, the ASR, not sufficient for him as a platform to express his personal views fully and freely?