Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?


After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler

Showing 9 responses by kenjit

The concept here is...costly = scam. Cheap = good. Measurements = everything.Right?!

We have tested the chinese DACs and found them to offer superior distortion. They are priced fairly based on cost of parts. Why pay ten or twenty times more for inferior performance? Who does that benefit? It only profits the high end companies.

Good measurements are not everything but neither are listening tests alone.

Most importantly, why on earth do you and Amir care so much about what others believe? Like my grandfather used to say..LIVE AND LET LIVE.

We care about elevating the standards in the audio industry. If theres too much junk out there, that cant happen. We are here to promote the basic principle of high end audio which is perfect sound quality. If you do not subscribe to this, you are the one that does not belong in our community. We do not want our community standards to be compromised or tainted.

He is sharing what he believes to be objective data that does not translate in to real-world performance..

Listening tests can vary depending on your ears your room your setup. We are here to test the performance of the gear without those variables. 

This is why you have been banned on so many different audio forums.

Of course he would be silenced if he is exposing the truth about high end audio. Do you realize the damage it would cause the industry if it were found that $100K amps and speakers were all scams?

You are always trying to impose your personal beliefs and supposed expertise on audiophiles or anyone interested in the hobby...guess what?! Nobody really cares!

No he is not. He is sharing objective data with the public and exposing the conspiracies going on within the industry. There will always be those that are in denial such as yourself but you can't deny the truth. If you think you are qualified to refute his claims you will need to provide your data which contradicts his findings. 

How they produce audio electronics is up to the qualified, experienced, and degreed employees who work at these companies, not you

Most are not qualified. The ASR group set high standards within the industry because nobody else will. 

Eventually, they too shall become believers in listening as the ultimate test. What will you do then?!

They have already been converted to the ASR school of thought. There is no going back once you find the truth. 

@kota1 

Master is currently away. However I will have you know that Master uses the klippel NFS technology to measure speakers. This technology was designed specifically to address the problem of having an imperfect room. It doesnt matter how his room measures, he is measuring the speaker without the effects of the room. Master Amir has a Klippel NFS costing $100K. What have you got?

Recently, Amir reviewed an IEM (in ear monitor) and the results are absolutely shocking. Shall I post a detailed photo showing a comparison on my systems page so you can show your master?!

I have seen the review he did. Yes it was shockingly bad. But we only know this thanks to the Master. If not, the company would have got away with it. Be grateful

I wasn’t asking you about if you saw that review or not. Now answer my question - Would you like me to post that detailed photo and explain where he went totally wrong?!

Of course you should. But you said you dont care about measurements, so how can you say where he went wrong? You are also not qualified like he is. I will have you know that he is a qualified engineer. Are you?

I asked Paul at PS Audio to explain how Amir's testing of the PS Audio Power Plant showed the device did nothing at all.

Why would you trust the owner of PS audio to give an unbiased response to  criticism? Couldn't you find someone else? No company owner is ever going to speak badly about their own products even if there is something terribly wrong with it. 

There is plenty of horrendously overpriced hifi equipment out there much of which doesnt even work. The ASR group works tirelessly to expose these charlatans. Be grateful. 

@mastering92

Again you are contradicting yourself. First you said

ASR is powerless to influence the highest ranks of this industry; such as the top-most Studios, wealthy audiophiles, and audio dealers.

Then you say

A great disservice is being done to manufacturers of audio equipment.

It cant be both. Either ASR group has the capacity to change the industry or it is powerless. Which is it?

You are obviously envious of the success Amir has had. You feel that he is a threat to the industry because ignorance is bliss and you dont want to hear the truth. You are a typical audiophile. I suggest you unplug your silver audio interconnects and throw them away as they are useless. I also suggest you have your TADS measured by ASR group. We will charge you shipping to send it over to us and Amir will gladly test those suckers. You might be shocked at what he finds. You have been warned. Amir is a master of exposing the truth. A lot of these extremely expensive toys in the hifi market turn out to have abysmal performance. Who are you to get in the way of our work? If you have any counterevidence stop complaining, join the ASR forums and post your evidence. We will have a field day with you. Audiophiles deserve the TRUTH and you have no right to interfere.

Those measurements are meaningless. What is it supposed to prove? Now show us some polar response plots liked Amir does and we will have a field day with you! I dare you! You will be shocked at the directivity errors!

You have massive room issues going on below 100hz. All you have shown is that you know how to use an EQ. Anybody could use an EQ to get whatever curve they liked. You have proven nothing important. You are wrong.