Worth upgrading my cables?


I’ve made a ton of updates to my system over the last six months and now I’m wondering if my cables need some attention. Here are my questions:

  1. Based on my system, and current caballing (description bellow), do you think I would recognize a noticeable improvement by updating my cables?
  2. If yes, which cables would you prioritize (speaker, interconnects, power)?
  3. Lastly do you have any specific recommendations.

 

Current system:

  • Technics SL-1200G (Hana SL) --> Manley Chinook --> Manley Jumbo Shrimp --> Finale Audio Classic 300B monoblocks --> Klipsch Heresy IV
  • All interconnects are Morrow Audio MA1
  • Speaker cable Canare 4S11 Star Quad Bi Wire
  • Power cables Tripp Lite Heavy Duty , 15A, 14AWG

 

Thanks for your thoughts!

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@hifiman5   OK, that gives me something to work off of.  I haven’t tried any power cable upgrades yet, but I’m getting there.  I suppose that most component manufacturers have to keep their costs down, so power cable upgrades are up to the consumer.  My speakers and subs are powered, so speaker wire is not a direction I can pursue.  Thanks!

@tcotruvo A bit more food for thought. Once I discovered Shunyata Research made noise reducing power cables my interest was piqued. Upon doing my due diligence, I learned that the noise reducing circuitry contained in the cable connectors reduced noise going into the component and noise coming from the component. That latter aspect really interested me. I ended up getting four of their cords, one each for my power amp, line stage, phono stage and SACD player.  Although a considerable investment, the ability to hear more fine nuances, greater detail deep in the soundstage is quite remarkable. Just when you think you understand what is possible in this hobby…

@mastering92 - My audition process is far less robust than many. When I finally pull the trigger on a product that I think may improve my system I simply hook it up and see what it sounds like. If I hear an improvement that’s awesome, but I tend to leave it in my system unless something about it doesn’t sound right, because part of my decision process for purchases is to get things that I consider to be superior so my hope is that it may have a higher ceiling with a future upgrade.  I did send a Schiit DAC back because it sounded identical to my least favorite output (it parallel solid state and tube) on my current DAC. 
 

I pretty much went Blue Jeans Cable across the board early in my audiophile journey and didn’t really dabble with cables until last year. I started with a couple of Waudio power cables for under $40 each.  The primary goal was to see if I could hear any difference in my system.  It was a clear difference for my integrated amplifier, no change on my DAC, and seemed to make my SACD player sound really bad (no idea why it had such poor results).  All of these changes were noticed immediately with the results not changing over time. 
 

The positive experience with my amplifier compelled me to dabble with interconnects. $100 AQ made a very nice improvement so I tried a $200 AQ and again notice an improvement. I was at the top of my self imposed budget so moved to digital coax cables. I picked up a $100 AQ and didn’t hear any difference so moved on to other things. 
 

I got a new DAC so wanted to shift to a balanced interconnect. I compared my $200 AQ unbalanced cable to a set of Monoprice XLR cables and really struggled to describe any significance with the AQ remaining the one I’d choose if forced. I picked up a Morrow Audio MA4 on a sale for similar money to the AQ and have found it to be a significant improvement. 
 

Most recently I tried some Micca 14 speaker cables ($60 total) and found them to be musical and easy to listen to with no brightness or glare, but found it a relief going back to my BJC cables after a couple of weeks. 
 

I find direct A/B comparisons to be confusing because I try to hard and more often than not find myself confused. I’ve had the same experience with some other changes where what you remember from A doesn’t meet reality when you do switch back.  Sometimes the improvement is so obvious that I don’t even waste the effort going back and with the speaker cables it was a relief to go back.

@mceljo

Thank you for the write-up.

I have also experimented with power cords, interconnects etc.

I have found that the shortest interconnects seem to provide a tiny amount of gain vs longer ones. Or rather, the long interconnects seem to be reducing the level of  the output signal slightly. (but only by a hare)

I’ve also experimented with power cables in the past. The anomaly found with the new power cable plugged in to the DAC you wrote about might be replicated with a laptop. I once bought an audiophile-grade power cord, close to $1000 just to see what the fuss was about. I heard no difference vs hospital-grade power cords.

I was curious if maybe my laptop charging brick/laptop battery would benefit (maybe faster charging).

With the power settings and brightness/display on/unchanged machine state, I let the laptop charge from 50% to what was now 100% (or fully charged). After unplugging, I noticed the laptop had only been charged to 87% !! The initial reading was wrong!

I then drained the battery to 50% again after having it charge up to 100% with the stock power cord (included by Gigabyte) and the anomly did not occur again. For this reason and others (for example, in-built power cords) I’m not a believer in power cords improving audio fidelity; unless the power cord in question is inferior/low quality and is struggling to supply power to the mainboard in an electronic device.

My auditioning process is simple. I always start by documenting what I’m testing/lisening to/auditioning.

1) Track, volume level, and what it sounds like. ( the same passage/snippet)

I write down my impressions on a notepad.

Then I deliberately forget and don’t look at the notepad.

I take fresh notes and compare/contrast once I’m done.

 

May I ask what in particular changed for the better? Was it the textural resolve of bass frequencies (different styles as you may know and how they decay etc.) improved midrange clarity, or even elevated treble that seems to pinpoint fine details or improve the "air" in a recording? etc.

@mastering92 - I’ll try to accurately describe the various changes. 
 

My first real upgrade was using Mullard tubes in my Pathos amplifier.  The improvement almost defied logic because I got more detail and also a smoother presentation.  I actually wonder if it was the step that made hearing some of the other changes possible in my system.

the Waudio power cord resulted in a more natural sound that was objectively better even though I lost of the air/sparkle. 
 

The Audioquest Chicago brought back the air/sparkle while maintaining the natural sound. I was really excited about this because while the power cord made it overall better I had also lost something at the same time. 
 

The Audioquest Sydney added more clarity but maintained the same overall sound signature. 
 

The move to a Denafrips Ares II DAC took my system to another level where instrument separation, the swell and decay of notes, and a more real and natural sound was the result. 
 

The Morrow Audio MA4 balanced interconnects brought even more clarity and sparkle, but my favorite aspect is the very defined deep bass notes. Things that were previously only felt became individual notes. I’m still enjoying music like it’s all new post DAC and MA4 upgrades. 
 

I have a Pangea power cable on my DAC, but I didn’t hear any difference with it on my old DAC and have never even tried a comparison with the new one. The Pangea should be the better cord, so it stays.