room size question.


( wasnt sure what category to put this in ,so figured this one would get more views)

 

in watching some you tube videos, one from Jays audio lab, and another one from Paul ( ps audio ), they both mention how the speakers should be set up in the room and it seems they bring them out into the room quite a bit.    they say that when this happens, you have the soundstage and jay was mentioning that there are layers that one gets to hear when listening.

my question i guess is that can this same thing happen in a smaller room, say 12x12 or is one just limited to say center imaging due to room size ?

room is treated

 

this is the ps audio video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x63RORq8JMw

jays video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOWcvbfNZw

bshaw

This is a very challenging situation; however, you can get a good sounstage in a small room. Room treatments are essential, and I use GIK for mine. In my 11x11x8 room, my speakers are about 3’ from the back wall (measured to front baffle) and 29" from the side walls. Speakers are abiut 7.5’ apart amd my listening chair is about 8’ from the speakers. Suggest using corner bass traps, side panels for first reflection points, and an absorption panel behind your listening position. With some experimentation, you should achieve a good soundatage.

@rlb61 

 

if you have read all my replies....i have GIK panels, i have the bass traps in the corner, i have the acoustical panels behind the listening chair and i have the stand up diffusors..

speakers are( i forget now as  i have moved them so many times,) but from the back wall to the rear of the speaker they are out at least 3 ft, maybe more....and 29" from the side walls.

if i go wo wide with them, then it sounds just like 2 speakers playing and i lose center imagining.         i have the triangle from speakers to listening chair.

@bshaw Sorry, I haven’t read the entire thread. However, when measuring speakers from the back wall, the measurement should be to the front baffle, not the back of the speaker. Similarly, side wall measurements should be to the front baffle. Also, it looks like you may need to move the speakers closer together since you’re not getting any soundstaging with them wide apart ... if you move them closer in small increments with no toe-in, there should come a point where they will snap into focus and you’ll achieve a nice soundstage.

absorption panel behind your listening position. 

From my own experience, if one wants bigger soundstage in a small(ish) room, diffusers should be used on the back wall (and the front wall, but to a lesser extent), not absorbers. Even side walls, a combination absorber / diffusers may work better

 

Also, it looks like you may need to move the speakers closer together since you’re not getting any soundstaging with them wide apart ... if you move them closer in small increments with no toe-in, there should come a point where they will snap into focus and you’ll achieve a nice soundstage.

@rlb61  , this was kind of where I was going with suggesting OP start with a small equilateral triangle with about 4' spacing & then moving wider in increments to see if he could catch a good spot.  But I am also thinking that having his equipment between his speakers will be problematic.