You said:
"You don’t even know how to use the tool you have there."
You spent $100K on your tools and can’t even measure your own room, you think I have problems? LOL...
Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?
After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication. Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review. One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products.
Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications. Those are not test measurements.
I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any. Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements. Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred. Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture. Do they have something to hide? I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.
ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions. Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?
Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."
Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.
I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.
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@prof So, you are a firm believer that all digital cable, if correctly made, sounds the same. So what I say is snake oil. That's where I am 100% certain you are mistaken. I stated you can believe what you want but don't imply that I am wrong because I didn't test measure the differences or that I am being deceived (or all of my friends and experts are also being deceived). Go back to ASR's snake oil forums and write all you want about how all digital cables sound the same, I don't care. There is an immense difference in sound from the six different cables I tried. This is as silly as my neighbor who is an electrical engineer who thought all power cables should sound the same with a $1/2 million system that had major frequency irregularities and sonic mush. He often changed expensive equipment not knowing why they didn't satisfy him. Just one superior cable on his amp and he was convinced he was wrong. After replacing all six power cables, he admits that scientifically it is unexplainable but the difference exists. You think he is being deceived now? That he is a fool too? Yes, I guess based on your certainty that all digital cables sound the same that power cables also sound the same, unless you reserve your "truth" only about digital cables. |
Science trivially explains that. You mad a change, he listened more carefully and now he "heard" more detail, air, etc. Nothing had changed in the sound. It was him that changed because our hearing is elastic and 2-way. A comparison causes our brain to work differently and hence we perceive things differently. We prove the above two ways: 1. We test the person blind and repeat at least 10 times and see if he gets > 8 right. Every audiophile tested this way has failed to hear the same differences. 2. We perform measurements to see if there is a difference or not. If nothing has changed in the waveform coming out of your audio device, then your listening test protocol is wrong. All of this has been known for decades. But some audiophiles refuse to believe it. No amount of explaining the simple facts of how their perception works makes them change. They go on wasting money on useless audio product after useless audio product. I have tested a number of digital audio cables by the way. The last one was the $1,800 Nordost Tyr 2: I also performed listening tests and found no differene. Before you come back and say you can hear what I can't, turn on a video camera and perform the AB test and repeat 10 times randomly. Unless you can show this, you have no case. None. You are simple unaware of how your hearing and perception work.
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yeah @axo1989 I wasn’t sure if it was humour or an insult, so I picked up a travel book at the newsagent. 😎 I do a bit of mentoring for workmates, and they are pretty skilled, but occasionally they like a pointer. That is about as close to teaching as I get. I suspect that some of the posters here have made retirement or alcoholism a real thing for their teachers. |
Folks used to think you caught a cold because the air was cold. This didn't make them a fool. They just didn't know that it was caused by a virus. Every bone in their body thought it was the cold weather because that is when people generally caught cold. It made layman sense. But simply was not true. Professionals in every field know of things that lay people think are true but they are not. In audio however, folks walk around ignoring what the science/engineering says. They think they are so smart that they have figured out things that eluded those people. So no, he is not a fool but was fooled by you. He didn't know everything I just explained. You do but still go on causing people to believe in nonsense and cost them money. |
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