What is the “World’s Best Cartridge”?


I believe that a cartridge and a speaker, by far, contribute the most to SQ.

The two transducers in a system.

I bit the bulllet and bought a Lyra Atlas SL for $13K for my Woodsong Garrard 301 with Triplanar SE arm. I use a full function Atma-Sphere MP-1 preamp. My $60K front end. It is certainly, by far, the best I have owned. I read so many comments exclaiming that Lyra as among the best. I had to wait 6 months to get it. But the improvement over my excellent $3K Mayijima Shilabi was spectacular-putting it mildly.

I recently heard a demo of much more pricy system using a $25K cartridge. Seemed to be the most expensive cartridge made. Don’t recall the name.

For sure, the amount of detail was something I never heard. To hear a timpani sound like the real thing was incredible. And so much more! 
This got me thinking of what could be possible with a different kind of cartridge than a moving coil. That is, a moving iron.

I have heard so much about the late Decca London Reference. A MI and a very different take from a MC. Could it be better? The World’s Best? No longer made.

However Grado has been making MI cartridges for decades. Even though they hold the patent for the MC. Recently, Grado came out with their assault on “The World’s Best”. At least their best effort. At $12K the Epoch 3. I bought one and have been using it now for about two weeks replacing my Lyra. There is no question that the Atlas SL is a fabulous cartridge. But the Epoch is even better. Overall, it’s SQ is the closest to real I have heard. To begin, putting the stylus down on the run in grove there is dead silence. As well as the groves between cuts. This silence is indicative of the purity of the music content. Everything I have read about it is true. IME, the comment of one reviewer, “The World’s Best”, may be true.
 

 

mglik

@dover 

I use the word symmetrical deliberately rather than the word balanced.

Ahhh... point taken.  If the SUT were truly symmetrical as you state then one could reverse the polarity of the primary and net the exact same frequency response at the secondary.  Some SUT's behave better than others in this manner but one polarity will always measure 'different' than the other.  As for the cartridge we already have the interesting wrinkle that by necessity the L & R coils are out of polarity with each other so this is a much grayer area.  In both cases I would expect these to be far easier to observe phenomena than the behavior of a symmetrical vs. asymmetrical cable.  It is important to note that jut because phenomena are measurable in the real or theoretical world doesn't equate to them being meaningful.

dave

 

When someone gets banned twice and still feels it is the forum's fault I believe I might be justified in thinking that is a red flag.

With respect to my comment that feeling the need to turn the volume up is an indication that there is something wrong in the reproduction chain, I confess I heard that repeated many times by the sages at the Canadian UHF Magazine, which is now pretty much defunct. In its day (1982 - originally as Hi-Fi Sound magazine - up to cessation of the print version after issue #97). It was an unusual magazine in that it would not review a product that was not up to snuff, and was honest about those it did. They did not lead me astray.

@mijostyn 

In order to fool the human ear you only need a 0.3 dB difference in volume.

do you have a reference on this?  I know the origin of the decibel scale is based on 1dB being the smallest difference in level detectable by the average person.  In system I find a overall level change of 1dB to be quite subtle and that is the topic at hand.  When dealing with specific frequency ranges (crossovers) smaller changes are audible if you know what to listen for and when it comes to soundstage a 1dB change in one channel (ie balance) also is easy to hear.  It has also been argued that the entire concept of level matching and ABX testing is pointless since due to comb filtering, small changes in listening position can dominate the listening experience. (i can't dig up my reference article on this one so a pointer will save a lot of google work) 

 

dave

@mijostyn Where did you get this info from? I’ve 4 Decca cartridges and they are incredibly robust in that there’s no cantilever to get destroyed in an accident. They all track splendidly although they can be susceptible to noise from unclean vinyl.
+1 ​@dogberry 

"The Decca London Reference is an awful cartridge. It is a terrible tracker and very unreliable."

 

 

@mikelavigne , in both times there were gentlemans that " encourage " me to follow posting in the way I did and do with first hand experiences , facts and some " science " and obviously no applauses when some one posted no sense subjective issues, Just like in this thread, I don’t gave you any congratulations ( as all the wbf " friends " of you. ) because it’s not nothing that you did or do it in your room system. You did not improved but merely walked 3-4 steps down the quality system ladder.

The responsability of any good friend is to give advise and warnings on those audio system issues. Your audio " friends " where you are really happy with them only " encouraje " you to follow in the same wrong road and this is what you don’t like because you are in the last 2-3 years accustomed only to applauses/congratulations and any Agoner can confirm what I’m posting here only reading the wbf thread you linked or any other of your threads there.

Before the manufacturer disclosed the cartridge FR spec I told you founding in your posts that something was wrong with but what you posted here and in wbf made that an Agoner pulled the triger for that cartridge and he did it because your posts and he does not took in count the warnings and fact posted here against that cartridge. Do you help that OP? certainly not and I’m sorry for him.

 

" why i should not post here or attempt to interact with you..."

 

Mike, sorry but it’s not interact with me it’s interact with the true reality that just you and many other gentlemans just do not likes. @dover is direct as me and you don’t feel the same " interact ", you can read his post in this thread.

The wbf changed you and not for the better.

 

Btw, one of those wbf that encourage me to follow posting in the same way is

bazelio and his words are down there as like the words of the other gentlemans that like it no applauses if there is nothing to applause. Yes, my styles is way different to the one in wbf .

But here exist a fact: you don’t tell us and telling me what of all what I posted is totally wrong with the explanation/facts where you found it about. I know you have no facts for that or you cdid not wanted to do it.

 

Even if you do not cosidere any more to ineract with me or to " think " I’m an audio friend I still cosider you as that.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.