Joseph Audio Perspective2 vs Harbeth SHL5+


I currently own Harbeth SHL5+ and I’m generally very happy with them. I’m driving them with Audio Hungary a50i tube amp (50 watts class A) and don’t feel that the amp struggles at all. I have an opportunity to buy a used pair of Joseph Audio Perspective2 Graphene in excellent condition. Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to compare the JA Perspective2 with SHL5+. From what I understand they sound quite different but I’m not sure how. The Perspectives are obviously quite a bit more expensive than the Harbeths but I understand that this doesn’t automatically imply that they are better. Someone told me that the Perspective 2 is more in Harbeth 40.x league instead of SHL5+.

As good as the SHL5+ are, I do sometimes yearn for a wider and deeper soundstage with bigger bass (although I have a pair of REL S/510s to supplement). I would really appreciate if people who have made the move from SHL5+ to JA Perespective2 Graphene, or vice versa, can share their impressions.

Note: My room is 20 x 15 with 12 foot high ceilings. The speakers will be placed along the short wall. I can pull them out by 4 feet from the front wall and about 2 feet from the side walls. My room is treated with GIK panels. My biggest concern is whether my AH Qualiton a50i will be able to drive the Joseph Audios well.

 

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I had the Harbeth SuperHL5plus for a while.  I sold them and eventually bought

Joseph Audio Perspectives (original).  I plan to upgrade them to graphene at some point.

I've been asked before to compare Harbeth to Joseph speakers so I'll grab a long reply I wrote to someone else on the subject.  He was asking about comparison between the Harbeth 30s and the Joseph Pulsars, but everything I wrote pertains to the SuperHL5+ and the Joseph speakers.

Keep in mind I ended up with the Joseph speakers and, all things considered, as much as I love Harbeth too, I wouldn't trade them for the Harbeth.   The Joseph speakers will absolutely give you a wider, deeper soundstage and over all more impressive "disappearing" act, vs the Harbeth.

 

Here's what I wrote:

 

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....as someone who loves both the JA and the Harbeth speakers, I think I can give some idea of the differences. I listened to the Pulsars before I bought my Perspectives, and they sound close to identical, but the Perspectives add deeper bass.

I've listened to the whole Harbeth line, and owned the Harbeth SuperHL5plus speakers for a while.

I'm attracted to both those brands because I'm very in to tonal beauty/realism, and both do that in a close to peerless fashion...and yet sound very different.

I would say the Harbeth sound is an updated BBC monitor sound, with that richness and body in the mids, that organic filled out sense of voices that make singers sound human and present physically, not merely vivid but see-through holograms. They are masters with timbre -wood sounding "woody," brass "brassy," rather than the blanched, electronic tone of many more modern speakers. And yet being an updated BBC sound, they don't sound obviously boxy, and they do excellent detail and clarity. I find them super balanced sounding.

Though one thing I found with the Harbeth 30's is they did sound a wee bit darker than life. That's one reason I chose the SuperHL5plus, which seemed to have a more extended, airy top end. But I love the sound of the 30's as well.

If I had to generalize about the Modern Speaker Sound, it's that super low cabinet coloration, super "fast" detail and transparency of often metal drivers - exceedingly clear and clean, though sometimes at the expense of body, texture and organically real timbre.

As for the Joseph speakers, they are also masters of tone. But whereas the Harbeths have a stronger foot in the older comfy BBC sound, the Josephs have a stronger foot in the modern speaker sound. They are super clean, pure, transparent, detailed, boxless sounding, image like mad, etc. However they manage to do this without sounding sterile. Just the opposite: rather than their purity blanching the music of tonal color, you get tonal and timbral colours blooming through with greater purity. Like looking at coloured pebbles through a stream which has been suddenly cleaned of all it's silt - the vividness of the colours seem revealed. So wood sounds very distinct, as does brass, drum cymbals, all the exact timbres of a drum set, the sparkle and growl of a piano. That's one thing that astonished me when I auditioned the Joseph speakers, the utter purity and lack of grain, and even though the highs were very extended, this lack of grain lent an unmechanical ease to the presentation which many remark upon. And even though they use a soft dome tweeter, cymbals and steel instruments sound particularly "metallic" yet relaxed.

The other "trick" up the Joseph sleeve is why, despite their transparency and clean sound, they don't sound sterile: They have a very juicy lower midrange to bass. Jeff Joseph says on his website: "Live, unamplified music has unmistakable presence and clarity. Yet, at the same time it also sounds relaxed and warm." And that is precisely the balance his speakers strike. They have a richness in the warmth region that keeps things sounding...well...rich and warm, not threadbare. And with strikingly deep bass (both Pulsar and Perspectives). And the bass isn't just "low bass," it is reach-out-and-drive-the-music punchy bass. In other words, the speakers don't just do audiophile tone and imaging, don't just play audiophile standard tracks, the are FUN and give kick and drive to all genres of music. And there is a wonderful way the Joseph Speakers swell dynamically, the way their bass warmth and punch kicks in whenever required in a piece of music, that makes music swell and breath so well. Think of the dynamics of a symphony or soundtracks. Just wonderful on the Joseph speakers. I find they are one of the greatest balancing acts of the characteristics many audiophiles seek - disappearing as speakers, huge soundstage, precise imaging, tonal accuracy, amazing detail, punch and drama. It's no wonder that they seem to draw almost all accolades at shows, and from user reports.

OK...but nothing is perfect right?

What you will get with the Harbeths is they were STILL have a bit more evenly distributed body to the sound, top to bottom, for instruments and voices. To be really picky, the Joseph speakers sound super big and full with most stuff, especially when it engages the lower midrange, but can sound thinner on thinner sounds. So for instance a high voice may be more upper throat than chest, or Miles Davis' trumpet muted will be more mouthpiece than the resonating bell body you'd get with the Harbeth speakers. So in a way the Harbeths are a bit more evenly balanced. The Harbeths also have a bit more sense of "texture," that sense of bow on string kind of thing. You'll hear every nuance of detail on the Joseph, but there is something a bit more cut-through-the-air organic in how the Harbeth presents instrumental texture and voices. You can't have everything :)

So, there you go. If you move from Harbeth to Joseph, you'll lose a bit of ultimate even body through all the sound, that certain characteristic Harbeth texture, but you'll gain a more pure, clean yet colourful sound, more dazzling imaging/soundstating, probably a higher sense of detail, richer punchier deeper sound from the lower midrange down, more drama etc.

Hope that helps.

your first mistake is putting your system on the short wall you should be firing it down the length of the room the second mistake is not isolating your speakers from all vibration, get the Townshend podiums, they get rid of all the room problems so you won't have to waste time putting up all that crap around your room.

I use Pulsar 2, and had been running them on a PrimaLuna Evo400i.

now so moved to Feliks Envy preamp into a Benchmark AHB2 power amp.

I believe they moved up to a whole other level in precision, especially bass, imaging, instrument separation, everything sounds better. Due to their low sensitivity Joseph speakers require a lot of power and I believe, while your A50 will make them sing nicely, you might feel the bass a bit lose. 
I’ve tried many speakers, Klipsch Heritage line, Tannoy Cheviot, Piega, Dynaudio, Dali, but the pulsars driven properly were the most amazing for me.

they need to fire down the long wall, they have huge energy, though if the short wall is long enough it would probably work as well. Positioning is key, they need space behind and from the side walls.

Someone I know moved from Harbeth to Pulsars and they are most satisfied.

cheers