High end cartridge


I post similar question in other forum, but didn’t get help I need.


I want buy high end cartridge to replace my old one, I have very little experience with cartridges, only entry level of Ortofon, Denon, and Shelter, the last two brands I didn’t like them. So I like ask folks here who have great experience with cartridges, and with VPI FB Gimbal tonearm.

 

I’m concern very much about SQ differentials, I like full body sound, live, punch, authority, and neutral. My first choice will be Ortofon Cadenza black, but before go for it, I want check other brands for better alternative.

 

I see many people go for Lyra or Dynavector, I’m aware they are high end, but I have doubt the sound charastric of these cartridges not close to what I want, but more similar to Denon, and Shelter.

 

I wonder if my assumptions are correct?

 

And about Soundsmith, Benz, Van Den Hul, how good are these? And compare to Ortofon?

 

And will be other brands worth to check?

 

Thanks to all.

knight7m

I will chime in for some feedback on this subject as I too run the most fabulous Whest PS 30 RDT SE, 2019 edition with some custom build stuff from James at Whest and many of the PS 40 RDT components.  

I run a VPI Ares 3 with the super platter and the SME Series IV tonearm.  I have two carts which sound simply amazing with the Whest, the first is a vintage Audio Technica AT20ss MM with a NOS OEM super shibata stylus on a beryllium cantilever, the real deal from the factory, not an aftermarket item; I luckily have several in the box NOS AT20ss stylus' on hand.   Whest built one input on the phono stage with a perfectly matched capacitance and gain for the AT20ss as James Henriot also owns one of these cartridges and it's his go to MM, he knows it well.  If you can ever find one of these MM pieces, buy it.   My other cartridge is an Ortofon A90 MC, and it is simply stupendous.   It plays just like the AT20ss, lots of gusto, detailed mid and upper end but with very strong, articulate low end.   The A90 MC is more open on the upper end and its' a little more detailed, but the AT20ss is about 90 to 95% of the A90 MC.    You might be able to find a NOS or very low time AT20ss for around $1K if you got lucky, or you could find a used A90 MC with low time on it for around $2K.   James at Whest also uses the A90 and A95 as his MC selections and he told me that when the stylus wears out to send it to London to Expert Stylus to have their Paratrace cut installed, he said it elevates the A90 to another level.   I take his word on this as I have found the Whest phono stages are the best that I personally have used; they make bullet proof gear.

 

Can report good results with Ortofon MC, Hana and Zyx, with the ZYX R50 Bloom 3 (entry level) being an Eye Opener...

Would recommend all three.

I’m running an SPU Royal N and getting wonderful results but it taken a lot of very fine adjustment to get there. It always has a full bodied sound but except for a very fine rage of VTA and VTF (~3g) gives a somewhat measured pace to the music, good for classical but not rock. Get them right and it gains a real spring to its step and a large scale and deep soundstage, Now it will rock its socks off if you haven’t overtightened the mounting bolts and on my rm the counterweight grub screw. This is all in the context of a Schröder Reference, I don’t know how much applies to other arms. The arm effective mass should be north of 18g and the cartridge itself weighs in at near 16. VPI are rather coy about the mass of their tonearms, at least on the internet.

A cadenza bronze uses the same stylus as the Royal N (and the Winfield, Anna etc), I think I’d take this over a black, I know someone who loved it in the 11g Naim Aro.

Rebuild cost of the Royal N was a bit over 50% of a new cartridge, VPI have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to antiskate (as Rega do with VTA) but setting it too low resulted in a skewed cantilever after a year.

@mijostyn  I thought SoundSmith mostly makes MI (moving iron) cartridges not MM (moving magnet).

 

+1 on SoundSmith. I have The Voice cartridge and wouldn't have any other. Moving iron cartridges have a lot of the benefits of moving coil (MC) cartridges with the compatibility of moving magnet phono stages. The Voice is very linear and does not impart it's own sound or "flavor".

@slimpikins5 

Good to see you are wed to the Ortofon Sound, I share in this same attraction.

I have a few MM's in storage and do intend on bringing them out for a play time, as I have not heard them with my latest Phonostage.

The MM Cart' AT 20ss you refer to is one I will investigate and learn more about it.

The Replicant 100, Paratrace and Fritz Gyger FG 'S' are all sharing the same form as a Styli, the 100 is seemingly being separated from these other forms not only by name but also by suggesting the 100 has undergone a ulterior polishing treatment.

The Dimensions for the Three Styli are the same and the only variances are the name used for the Styli, the dimension tolerances found in the patent for the form of the Styli, might only be the other difference, maybe?, one Brand offers a very tight tolerance for the dimension used across the supplied styli, but this is not known to me or have I seen this discussed as a potential possibility or as a  fact.

'needlestein' is a Cart' rebuild Service in the USA, who makes their work available to seen, the evidence and customer feedback will show the service offered is quite capable to take on the work if a FG 'S' is on the wish list to be used.