I heard the current Node in a system at a dealer last summer and I was very impressed. I have the Node2 and I am currently using it in a secondary system,, driven by an Anthem AVR 540 MX. I switched it from a digital input to the AVR (therefore using the DAC of the AVR) to using the analog output of the Node2 (therefore using the internal DAC of the Node). I did this because the AVR drives Patio speakers as a Zone 2, and Zone 2 will only play analog sources. So I noted a clear drop in SQ in this system (which is mainly used for video anyway) going from the DAC of the AVR to the Node2. However, with the improved DAC in the current Node, I would have liked to repeat that experiment.
Bluesound Node 2021 DAC - I sold my Denafrips Ares II
I assembled my system last summer, after 20 odd years in the hifi wilderness. I’ve never been a vinyl guy, so wanted all the convenience of streaming, plus a CDP for my old collection.
I went for the latest iteration of the Bluesound Node - N130, a Naim Nait 5si and a pair of Quad S2 speakers, and Audiolab 6000CDT.
From reading various forums, watching YT videos, you know the script; I convinced my self that I needed an external DAC, as the majority view seemed to be that the BS Node DAC wasn’t very good. As I hadn’t owned hifi since the late 90s (Naim Olive) bi-amped system and Audo Alchemy DDE, I had no reference for how DACs sounded these days.
Anyway, in my new found conviction that I must purchase an ext. DAC, I purchased a Denafrips Ares II. Got it, plugged it in, and didn’t look back. I was content, it sounded good.
Then, about 2 months ago, I was fiddling around inside the Bluos app, with the subwoofer crossover, with a mind to buying a sub to supplement the LFs on my little Quads, and I had the belated brainwave to a/b the Node DAC and the Denafrips. I whipped out some spare ICs and off I went.
OK, I felt like such a fool, really stupid - I a/b’d for literally hours, trying to convince myself that the Ares II was night and day difference - it must be right? The Node DAC is sub-par, not good enough, mediocre, if things I read were correct.
But, in my system, to my ears, this wasn’t the case; I had difficulty discerning any significant improvements, certainly not £800 (£600 pre-owned) worth of difference.
I’m not knocking the Ares II, but in my system, the cost and the difference it made - and the difference between it and the much maligned Node DAC could not be justified sitting in my system at that cost.
Feeling like a complete tool, for rushing headlong in to the DAC game, I re-sold the Denafrips, bought a REL T5x and here I am.
I’m not going to look a further fool and say the Node DAC is the best, but i feel it is criticised unduly, at least the newest version at any rate.
Thanks for reading, I’m not sure this is a cautionary tale, but I just thought the experience worth sharing
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@mahler123 worth a try. I can’t comment on the previous version of the Node as I’ve never heard them, but I have no further inclination to put an external DAC between my Node and amp following my experience. I must stress that this is very subjective and you may find a different conclusion. But, for me and my ears, in my system/room....... What I have done recently which has made a difference is to try and clean up the Internet feed in to my Node. |
@painter24 .. I recently upgraded from the Node 2 to the latest and I tend to agree with you, the on-board DAC in the N130 isn't nearly as bad as many would have us believe. As usual, how much we want to spend for an incremental improvement in sound quality is quite personal. Seems you made the right choice for you. I already have a couple of DACs of the multibit variety I can use with the N130 and prefer them to the on-board DAC for more critical listening. For more casual listening or when watching a movie I use the on-board DAC. It doesn't suck. At all. Honestly, if I didn't already have some DACs to play with I'm not sure I would bother. At its price point I think the Node is quite a bargain.
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The real issue is that between the huge rise in internet sales and online reviews, not to mention the loss of dealers and Covid, we have come to rely more on what people say and less on what we hear. What you experienced is first-hand evidence that buying with your ears is the best way to buy. A very good lesson. Not that others are wrong in opining that the Aries is better than the Node. It may be, but if you can’t hear it, it doesn’t matter. Trust your ears. |
painter24, You may have thrown in the towel too soon. I had the same experience with adding a MHDT Orchid dac to my Node 2i and latest new Node. The sound was barely different and barely noticeable. I then added (to the Nodes) the PD Creative power board with smps power supply. Things sounded much better. Then came the Sbooster LPS power supply. Things went through the roof good. Audiophile sound from Spotify (!) Sure, you void the warranty, have to lift the lid, unplug a connector, remove a couple of screws. The back panel is held in place by magnets only. Lift it off to see the screws holding the lid on. It’s a simple upgrade. The rewards are stunning.
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