Another turntable


Hello everybody 

I am an analog lover (no CD nor streaming at all). For about 20 years now I have a TW Acustic Raven AC, with 2 SME 3012-R tonearms. One for the stereo and one for the monos. The TW evolved with the battery PSU, and heavy platter form the Black Night, and the 3 motors in a round shape.

I listen mainly classical music and a bit of jazz music. 
I read many threads on forum and TW is never talked about. My TTIs 20 years old now and as I am turning old too, maybe I look for what would be my last TT ( the famous « last one » before being retired with not enough money for climbing the audiophile mountain again.

I have no preferences for any technology as long as it makes good music. I can buy used or vintage (if professionally restored). 
I can go up to 20000 € max. I need the possibility of 2 arms, or one classical and enough room for a Viv Lab.

My little list is 

- Kuzma Red 2 or Stabi M

- Verdier La Platine

-SME 20 or an old 30

- Brinkmann 

-Shoppered TD124 ?

-   What else ?

Thanks for your suggestions. As you understand I live in Europe. How do you quote TW now in regards of these pretenders ? 

senza

Dear @senza  : Exist several vintage TTs that not only even the vintage Technics SP10MK3 but that outperformed as: Final Paruthenon, Goldmund Reference, Rockport Sirius, Exclusive P3A by Pioneer, Micro Seiki Sz-1TVS,  Thorens Reference, Yamaha GT 2000X , Kenwood, etc, etc.

 

The today Technics motor is a better design that the vintage SP10MK because the SP-10R is a coreless motor design that's new in Technics TT.

 

SP-10R needs a plinth and out there are Technics plinth manufacturers that can help any buyer and their plinths are just great and custom made .

 

But TT is only one important part in the analog rig and when we are talking of this kind of level quality the tonearm/cartridge of choice is extremely critical, especially the tonearm that must be the one that can help for the cartridges shows at its best because from there is generated the MUSIC audio signal and the next step is probably more important and that is the phonolinepreamp where that MUSIC audio signal is proccessed in a really " tortuose " overall proccess that unfortunatelly at each single step inside that proccess the sensitive, valuable and critical MUSIC audio signal will be degraded through added distortions of every kind. So the choice of this audio item is way important too because we need the unit that makes/does the less harm to that MUSIC audio signal.

 

R.

 

Hi @pani it is the wonderful world of the HiFi Journey, when two individuals have shared in common experiences of equipment use, and the preferred ancillary of each are with a difference.

Good info for the OP to consider, hearing the performance of an ancillary is crucial, and demonstrations are the key to the gathering the evidence for the assessments that will be produced.   

Thanks for everyone for sharing your opinions with all due respect !

 I will probably make a decision in a few weeks. Not sure I will go toward vintage as there are too many variables for having a good or an exceptional product (how it has been cared, the importance of having an expert not too far in case of troubles, the PITA if I need to ship it across the world for  repair or anything else, etc etc). It looks like a gambling. You can win or you can loose. I’m not rich enough for taking that kind or risk.

The only expert vintage who is 30 km from me is Swissonor with his Thorens TD124. Kuzma and SME smells good, if I keep my TW for having different arms and carts (1 mono and 1 stereo, and the SPU Century that is waiting in its box…). Is it possible to buy a new  SME with a plinth for another tonearm now ? If not, SME will go out of my way. 

Hi @senza  Kuzma Stabi R owner here and very happy with this choice. I currently use only one tonearm, the 4point9 with a Benz LP-S and I'm more than happy with the sound, the build quality and the ease of use.

Build quality and ease of use were amongst my top priorities when deciding for a new turntable, as I use the table almost daily.

i plan to add a second tonearm in the future which is quite easy with this turntable and will be looking into Kuzma isolation platforms for enhanced vibration control and then maybe a high end power cord to max out the turntable performance. 
 

Table + Arm(s) + Isolation Platform should fit you budget and provide you with a lot of listening pleasure