Another turntable


Hello everybody 

I am an analog lover (no CD nor streaming at all). For about 20 years now I have a TW Acustic Raven AC, with 2 SME 3012-R tonearms. One for the stereo and one for the monos. The TW evolved with the battery PSU, and heavy platter form the Black Night, and the 3 motors in a round shape.

I listen mainly classical music and a bit of jazz music. 
I read many threads on forum and TW is never talked about. My TTIs 20 years old now and as I am turning old too, maybe I look for what would be my last TT ( the famous « last one » before being retired with not enough money for climbing the audiophile mountain again.

I have no preferences for any technology as long as it makes good music. I can buy used or vintage (if professionally restored). 
I can go up to 20000 € max. I need the possibility of 2 arms, or one classical and enough room for a Viv Lab.

My little list is 

- Kuzma Red 2 or Stabi M

- Verdier La Platine

-SME 20 or an old 30

- Brinkmann 

-Shoppered TD124 ?

-   What else ?

Thanks for your suggestions. As you understand I live in Europe. How do you quote TW now in regards of these pretenders ? 

senza

Showing 8 responses by rauliruegas

Dear @senza  : Exist several vintage TTs that not only even the vintage Technics SP10MK3 but that outperformed as: Final Paruthenon, Goldmund Reference, Rockport Sirius, Exclusive P3A by Pioneer, Micro Seiki Sz-1TVS,  Thorens Reference, Yamaha GT 2000X , Kenwood, etc, etc.

 

The today Technics motor is a better design that the vintage SP10MK because the SP-10R is a coreless motor design that's new in Technics TT.

 

SP-10R needs a plinth and out there are Technics plinth manufacturers that can help any buyer and their plinths are just great and custom made .

 

But TT is only one important part in the analog rig and when we are talking of this kind of level quality the tonearm/cartridge of choice is extremely critical, especially the tonearm that must be the one that can help for the cartridges shows at its best because from there is generated the MUSIC audio signal and the next step is probably more important and that is the phonolinepreamp where that MUSIC audio signal is proccessed in a really " tortuose " overall proccess that unfortunatelly at each single step inside that proccess the sensitive, valuable and critical MUSIC audio signal will be degraded through added distortions of every kind. So the choice of this audio item is way important too because we need the unit that makes/does the less harm to that MUSIC audio signal.

 

R.

 

Dear @senza : Down Technics land there is really low knowledge levels of the overall today models.

You can put the Technics in a vibraplane plattform and that’s all. In this way no one of all the TT’s ( today or vintage ) named here can " touch " it.

 

The over 100K+ SAT DD TT use a Technics motor design. I don’t know what really are talking those " partisan " against the today Technics but anything they said against only speaks of their low knowledge levels levels.

 

Don’t let that people take out the Technics alternative but at the end is up to you.

 

In the other side remember that does not exist any perfect audio item over the world, always we must take founded in the trade-offs of each audio item.

 

R.

Dear @senza  :  One very special and ecellent TT alternative comes today with the DD unit by Technics, in many ways better and outperforms almost all the TT's named here and you can get with two arm boards.

It's weird that in this thread almost all just forgeret DD TTs, anyway here is the Technics:

 

R.

Dear @senza : No, I heard the 7 that is up to this " artist ". There are two reasons why SY has not a wide market/owners: first is a very low profile manufacturer over all years and second is that he manufactured him self and only a few units each year. I think is a privilege to own the SY and along the Formula One almost a" dream ". You can ask for the 7 too that I understand was higher in price.

 

R.

Dear @senza  : The Simon Yorke is not a TT with a high marketing profile but the other way around and for very good reasons.

I'm sure that you know Allaerts cartridges and if not you need to own the Formula One. Well, J.Allaerts use Simon Yorke TT for his cartridge voicing.

 

Don't go for TT names that at the end means almost nothing, yes names as SME is a good name with high quality manufacturing.

Anyway, you can read here about Simon Yorke and read his historty and blog both really interesting and I don't know but maybe you can get its TT with two arm boards obviously you have to ask about:

 

https://recordplayer.com/

 

R.

Dear @senza : I think that the 20/3 needs no presentation for you and it's a superb TT better than MS or almost all named here and at the same level of the top Acoustic Signature but if still today in production you have an other great alternative with the Simon Yorke TT.

 

I don't like any of the tonearms you own and for very good reasons but never mind because that's me.

 

Try to use 9"-10" tonearms instead 12", for very good reasons too.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.