I prefer to be open to someone convincing me, to my own advantage (saving money, getting better sound, etc.), that my particular belief is flawed through the presentation of evidence. If they haven’t convinced me, then I can just disregard.
The Truth We Dare Not Face --Divine Electronics
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Your proposal sounds like a great and sensible idea. It flat out is, kind of, sort of.. the best idea. but it also contains a note or flavor of the most dangerous kind of thinking of all, which is: ’kill them all, god will find his own’.
Where the horde is used to quell or kill off things that the masses, the applied horde.. may not fully comprehend. Where violence is used to kill off intelligence and capacity and application of intelligence and capacity.
A known example, when at it’s peak in error and malevolence.. is the sacking and buring of Alexandria. Another is the forcing of the hemlock on Socrates. Socrates took the hemlock as he seems to have decided he could not -would not- live in world of misguided idiots and controllers who did not want to deal with truths that disarmed their life postions. Then, Giordano Bruno....
Therefore..
We’re long past that ideal (of discussing it as science in the overall group) and have moved into a situation where this idea, this good thought, this sensibility is being used to repeat >one side< of the argument over and over and over. The ignorant side. That ’reality of ignorance’, in near infinite repeat....In an effort to force the conclusion and the evidence over into the one given camp- the camp that says it is all wrong headed and non existent.
We’re dealing a group and individuals who are insistent they are correct, when they are wholly wrong and cannot understand the subtleties of the argument, how those subtleties work together, and how those elements make for a cohesive functional conclusion...that cables make a difference.
Where they can’t wrap their head around the entire package of the functional solution, so it must be false, it must be anti science, it must be all lies.
What we need is an area of calm for those who understand that difference in not just the devices under test, but for the individuals who are capable of committing to the complex analysis of the device under test.
Where those people who ’get it’ are not abused by what is essentially a rampaging horde with violence in their mind and no context of understanding within them.
We’re dealing with a problem of people not rising to the complexity of the question but that they are trying to dumb it down into what they know.
Which is wholly anti-science.
If a person does not understand an aspect of a solved equation then they must rise into it, not denigrate the question and answer set like a petulant child.
Eg, for engineering... the theories of science are taught in rote memory repeat fashion as a law, not a theory.
This is to have people who are not at the level of the theorist - be useful in the world. Where the fundamental functions and ways that people think and exists as, in the fundamentals of consciousness vs unconsciousness and instinct..where those areas of existence are utilized to make a more natural path of success in endeavor and direction.
They may individually be capable of contemplating that all is theory and that no facts exist, but the group overall is taught in a ’theory-as-law’ scenario, in order to help the bulk of them be helpful to humanity’s growth and continuance.
Some among them can handle that all of it is theory and they may move to the position of being a theorist or a ’discoverer of new things’. An experimenter and theorist in the fundamentals - the place where we learn the new things that ultimately move us forward.
Where if they can’t reach it, then they must at least have the common sense to step away.
Or at least regroup and try to understand the components of the question and answer set, within the limits if their mind and their capacities in their senses.
As this is not an intellectual question, which is already a sense limit, in time in spent in contemplation or intelligence or speed of cognition..but is is also, concurrently.... a test of physiological capacity, or hearing and hearing as tied to mind. Both components of the required equation are individual to the person and not universally the same. No, not by a huge and long shot.
If they can’t step away or grow...or make the reach, and the situation is ongoing, for decades....... then one is forced to block them off from the conversation.
Seriously.
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I’m aware of and state openly... that any comebacks to this post will be almost entirely, if not entirely ---- emotionally based and pedantic. I know this can be painful and there will be a backlash. It is akin to telling someone ’family member X is dead’. Painful truths of the mind, about the mind.
There is no doubt in my mind that what has happened in the past on this forum, will happen again with this post. A post that is similar to what I’ve written before, and is as truthful and honest as those posts that came before. Where the insistent will ultimately ignore it, hate it even, and go right on fighting it in an effort to erase it from their mind.... as it can be painful, as realizations of the self can (e)go. Even if it is wholly true and correct.
This cable question, as considered here, within the context of this thread and it’s intent... is a lesson of pain in psychology and it is not a question of science.
Due to these being shared forums, the group of people who can look into the situation are ones who are fine with it all..and...also.. ones to are psychologically disarmed and emotionally excited by it. Excited into violence, projected and whatnot.
In the prior world, with no forums, this happened off camera, off screen..so to speak, where it was handled in/as individual cases. Secret schools, and whatnot. Separate schools, separate speaking spaces and sharing spaces. And now, here... we run into the human problems of attempting inclusivity.
Forums, forums for all.
The price of that inclusivity is an argument that cannot and never will be quelled.
Thus the idea of a separate forum area, where the discussion can happen unencumbered. And the rest can look in, and maybe, just maybe... look a bit beyond themselves.