Is advice from a constant upgrader to be avoided


For a while now I've been reading these forums and to be honest i was thinking of leaving. I felt a bit out of depth given that it seems so many others have had so much experience through owning what seems to be tens of speakers, amplifiers, DACs etc etc and reading people buying and selling piece after piece after piece on the search for some sound.... 

When someone asks advice about a certain item it seems like half the audience have owned it and moved on and have a comment to make. I then read about someone buying an extremely expensive amp and deciding quickly to sell it because it doesn't sound right. Then someone else is on their fourth DAC in a year. 

So all these people have advice to give. What I'm wondering now is, is advice from a person who's never content, constantly changing their system, never living with a system for long enough, and have more money than patience, really the right person to take advice from? .

There seems fewer (maybe they're less vocal) people who buy gear and spend the time to appreciate it, and have maybe only had a very few systems in their lifetime. I think I'd rate their advice higher on the gear they know than the constant flipper/upgrader.

Is the constant flipper/upgrader always going to say that the gear they used to own was no good and they've now got better? Maybe their constant searching is because their ear is no good or they're addicted to the rush of opening a new box. 

Just because person X has owned a lot of equipment doesn't mean their advice is to be sought after, it could mean the exact opposite.

mid-fi-crisis

Interesting discussion!

I fully understand acoustics

i fully understand tubes , SS, HD ,IMD, etc

i fully understand the human auditory system 

I fully understand loudness and dynamic range of the normal and the  

impaired auditory system -

 have used a vast array of very costly to inexpensive 

audio gear

after 50 years of changing gear I realize that if the recording is excellent so will the 

listening experience! 
currently I'm using a system that is excellent and cost a mere fraction of those setups of the past!

changing components is a PIA since there are no audio salons nearby! That leaves me to the prey of the reviewer, non of which are useful, the internet, and FedEx!

I find it a horrible process to buy, try and return!

I've lost interest in this hobby since the human interactions are gone, listening  rooms are gone and again , the trial and error of choosing equipment is not appreciated.

It was fun!

 

 

@mid-fi-crisis, I haven't read this entire thread but I really like your question! In response, I would say it makes sense to read and consider what virtually every contributor has to offer on forums like this. Keep in mind, however, that every opinion should be treated, as such, and the only thing that truly matters is your own ears and what you like.

I think I'm solidly in the non-flipper camp. I fell in love with music in the late 50's. Someone bought me a cheap tabletop record player, back then, to play my budding collection of 45's. If I wasn't wearing that thing out, I was playing my 45's and, later, my LP's, on my parents' Grundig console. It wasn't until 1972 that I took my first plunge into audiophilia. Before that, whatever money I had went into fast cars, 8 track players, cheap home music systems and  college. With regard to core or major components, since 1972 I've had 2 receivers, 1 integrated amp, 2 turntables, 2 CD players and 4 pairs of speakers. I've always been a two channel audiophile. Of course, I've had a bunch of other doodads like cartridges, record brushes & stuff like that. However, I tend to be the kind of audiophile that does lots of reading & research and applies whatever audiophile skills I think I've learned along the way to however much critical listening I can do, prior to a major purchase. I have no way of knowing this but I suspect flippers, so to speak, are, primarily, folks who buy without critical listening seesions in a shop(s) and that is perfectly OK.  Good audiophile shops are increasingly hard to come by, these days, and some folks have no alternative. Some also just prefer to do things that way and, again, that's just fine. In the final analysis, with most stuff, you really never know what it's going to really sound like until you get it under your own roof. With just a little audiophile know-how, however, you can make a pretty good educated guess.

I think most folks on forums like this are well-intentioned and genuinely do want to help their fellow audiophiles and/or lovers of music. However, I think there is also a small minority who are probably just plain BS'ers, folks who don't own or have never owned the equipment they say they have because they love audiophile equipment and just like to wax audiophile. That's OK, too, as far as I'm concerned. Those folks tend to come from the perspetive of what they've read or researched about various components and not always from the perspective of what they've actually heard in critical listening sesions. There are others, also, who are just wedded to their beloved equipment, specific equipment brands and their personal opinions and just dismiss everything else, whether they've actually owned it & heard it or not. These folks are usually easy to spot. Personally, I tend to put more stock in the opinions of folks who've actually owned the equipment they are talking or wrting about or done a fair amount of critical listening to those components under relatively controlled conditions. These folks tend to be much more honest and more even-handed with their "constructive" criticism. Even the learned opinions or conclusions of respected professional reviewers are, in essence, opinions and the only ones that really count are yours.

If I had been a wealthier person, over the years, or more inclined to spend whatever disposable cash I had at any given time on flipping or upgrading more audio components, I probably would have done more of that. However, I sincerely doubt I would have taken it to the extremes some folks seem to have. I think some folks fail to consider the listening environment or the sound room an audio system is going to be in. In other words, you can only achieve so much fidelity in a dorm room or a small living room. Spending more money on components can and will, often times, get you different sound in some rooms but not necessarily "better". If I were in the 1 or even the 3 percent, I'm sure I'd have a home with a dedicated sound room and have a trusted audiophile consultant(s) set up various systems in that room until I achieved the fidelity I was after. After that, I'm pretty sure I'd spend a considerable amount of time just enjoying my tunes before doing any more tinkerring. But, that's just me. Vive la difference!

If I wanted restaurant recommendations, I'd want to hear from folks who dine out a lot.  Sure, some are flippers or their unrelenting gear changes are driven by some sort of audio ADD (obviously shorthand and not intended as a comment on genuine disorders).  But there are so many flavors of ice cream, and the most direct way to sample them is to try them, not read about them.  In that vein, some here are just really trying to nail a certain recipe of speakers, components, cables, room treatment, and source media.  And they've owned a fair amount of gear in that pursuit.  I absolutely want to hear their balanced, candid, cogent observations.  I do not, however, want to hear opinions that are based only on a review, or specs, or some outdated mythology around a certain piece ("Wilson speakers are all too bright", etc).  As with so many things, it's case by case, but +1 to the notion of avoiding jackasses.

At my tender age it’s something I don’t need. My ears aren’t getting better my gear is staying the same.. if it was great 30 years ago what changed?.. MY EARS, 30 years later... LOL A 30K what ever ain’t gonna make them any better..

 

I talk myself out of spending money every day as I cook my pot of beans and the cornbread just finished up.. Fresh red onions too. Yup chickens like onions too..

 

AND don't tell me they are vegetarians.. They eat anything.. :-)

 

Regards

Everyone should decide for themselves who to trust and take advice from. Many factors involved. Value of experience with a lot of stuff will vary case by case, but with the right person is a good not bad thing.