Turntable versus tonearm versus cartridge: which is MOST important?


Before someone chimes in with the obvious "everything is important" retort, what I'm really wondering about is the relative significance of each.

So, which would sound better:

A state of the art $10K cartridge on a $500 table/arm or a good $500 cartridge on a $10K table/arm?

Assume good enough amplification to maximize either set up.

My hunch is cartridge is most critical, but not sure to what extent.

Thanks.


bobbydd
The question should be, "how do you go about building a great turntable?"  That fact is you have to evaluate each item, drive, tonearm and cartridge individually then determine if they function together. Obviously you have to stay within your budget. The order is Turntable then tonearm then cartridge. It is no good to pick a tonearm that will not fit on a turntable you can afford. The turntable is generally the most expensive part of the deal so you start there then pick a tonearm that will fit and finally pick a cartridge that is matched to that arm. Since the cartridge is last if you have to skimp this is were you do it. Cartridges are also wear items. If you can't handle this then you can buy a stand alone unit like a Thorens, Rega, Project, Music Hall and so forth. 
Wow this question has caused a few sparks!!

And some varied responses, all the better to understand the issue.

Basically, I'm in the process of upgrading my TT in my second system.  The current unit is vintage (Pioneer PL600 - the good one) into a Hana EL cartridge.  Total investment: $500.

Had the opportunity to directly compare it in my system to a Clearaudio Performance DC/Satisfy Carbon arm/Lyra Delos cartridge.  Total cost around $7K.

The latter was better in most parameters especially with respect to dynamics, detail, resolution.  Tonality/frequency balance was more natural with the vintage system (less upper frequency glare).  Bass was comparable between each unit.  Both rigs were enjoyable to listen to.

So naturally I'm trying to determine how much of the sonic differences are due to the cartridges themselves, versus the other components.  Ideally I'd like the resolution of the new rig and the tonal balance of the vintage set up.

The system: EAT Petit phono, Classe DR5 line stage, Pass XA25 amplifier, Joseph Audio Pulsar 2's on Sound Anchors.

So there you have it ...


I see the Pioneer has what looks like an interconnect of a relatively simple design (attached), whereas the Clearaudio has an interconnect that looks more substantial

Is it possible the Interconnect played a role in the differences you observed?

Are there other interconnect options for the Cleaudio you could try
- I see there are several on their website - which one did you try?

Regards - Steve
Dear @bobbydd : According with almost all those gentlemans that already posted you need to change your TT and tonearm and you can go a ghead on that kind of advise. Now, your vintage front end is as " decent " as the Clearaudio if you make a tonearm rewiring and along " better " headshell a new better headshell wires.

In the other side: in both front ends who is putting the tonal color?, yes both transducers and your cartridges are way different in any single design characteristic, the only common in between shared characteristic is that both are transducers. Useless to make any kind of performance levels in between.

What you need is a cartridge that be near to your MUSIC/audio listening priorities along your room/system.
You need a different overall natural tonal " color " and you can go with either MM/MI or LOMC alternatives. Several options down there.

Good luck with that cartridge " hunting ".

R.

Of course that maybe with some tweaks to your room/system could change the today overall tonal color. Could be a little help but nothing as " radical " as a different transducer. Your call.