So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...

A lot of the so called "objectivists" believe in some of the so called "measurement websites".  They measure some frequency responses, some basic distortions and make some wild claims that nobody cares to check.  

It's funny how these "objectivists" are taken for a ride and they just blindly believe without even questioning about the validity of these so called "measurements".  How funny as they are being duped.  

All it takes nowadays to be an "expert" is to just go out and buy some test equipment you can afford and viola!, you're an expert. Now you can measure to your hearts content being guided by your expectation bias as the measurements you make bear out what you always believed to be true. It is, after all, your intention.

Gabriel Galen procured lots of patents that Belden Cables holds and with 32 years as one of their chief engineers, can't be summarily dismissed. He's been wholly of the objectivist camp for most of his entire life. He says that it's impossible to accurately measure inductance with any meter priced below $8,000. The Hewlett-Packard LCR machine he measures on costs $80,000. How many objectivists posting here have access to or use this level of test equipment?

When Gabriel set out to design his line of Iconoclast cables (done at Blue Jeans Cables) he discovered that UP- OCC, OFE, ETPC copper all  sound different from each other yet it can't be measured. He still builds by measurement (each cable comes with it's own certificate with all the specs), but lets the consumer choose which level of copper to pick for the build. Even this objectivists admits that not everything can be measured.

All the best,
Nonoise

andy21,300 posts05-17-2021 1:07pmA lot of the so called "objectivists" believe in some of the so called "measurement websites". They measure some frequency responses, some basic distortions and make some wild claims that nobody cares to check.  

It's funny how these "objectivists" are taken for a ride and they just blindly believe without even questioning about the validity of these so called "measurements". How funny as they are being duped.  

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On my third order of popcorn, movie style of course. The subjectivists are pulling out their heavy hitting, well frankly I am not sure what to call this. Measurements are repeatable. The test methodologies can be documents so that others can recreate the experiment.  Come on now, you are not even trying with this post.

Penalty, 10 yards, for poor effort.

nonoise7,051 posts05-17-2021 1:56pmAll it takes nowadays to be an "expert" is to just go out and buy some test equipment you can afford and viola!, you're an expert. Now you can measure to your hearts content being guided by your expectation bias as the measurements you make bear out what you always believed to be true. It is, after all, your intention.

Gabriel Galen procured lots of patents that Belden Cables holds and with 32 years as one of their chief engineers, can't be summarily dismissed. He's been wholly of the objectivist camp for most of his entire life. He says that it's impossible to accurately measure inductance with any meter priced below $8,000. The Hewlett-Packard LCR machine he measures on costs $80,000. How many objectivists posting here have access to or use this level of test equipment?


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Did Galen Gareis qualify what he meant by accurate?  $500 may be enough for many things. Test equipment that is $8,000 from a Western supplier may be $2,000 from an Asian supplier. Then there is EBAY.  On ASR I am surprised by how sophisticated many people's home test benches are. Far better than almost all cable vendors.  That is marketing speak by Galen. It impresses his target audience, and is obviously successful

Can you please explain Galen's expertise on audio or audio equipment. I do not think he has any other than being a hobbyist, and he does not even have relevant design experience. All we are going on is his word it sounds better. That is not very objective at all.  Seems all you need to be an expert is to claim you can hear things. Galen does have a lot in common with a lot of people posting here.  

Time for more popcorn!

So now you’re back pedaling on what constitutes the cost of the cheaper test equipment? That maybe they’re all created equal and is just the price exchange of different countries. Right......

As for ASR, it’s been ridiculed for how they measure and the costs of it’s test equipment by other test measuring sites. Surely you’ve know that for awhile. As for Gabriel Galen’s expertise, you’ve got so much to learn. Just a hobbyist? Try google.

Enjoy your popcorn from the cheap seats. The view from there is very limited but you can still have fun.

All the best,
Nonoise