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Duelund conversion to DIY Helix Geometry Cabling

I have been an avid user of the Duelund cabling for over two years now and have used them exclusively in my system with great results. I have built many for friends and have used a full loom of interconnects, speaker cables, power cords and an extensive wiring modification for a previously owned balanced power conditioner utilizing Duelund 600V PolyCast wiring which was transformative. My cabling desires can be a little addictive as I have owned and evaluated 40+ brands of cabling costing more than an entire stereo system!

Over the past six months I stumbled upon a thread here on Audiogon in regards to a Helix designed cabling and as you probably already know, I just had to look a little deeper into this cable design…After a month of studying and sourcing parts, I decided to reach out to the designer/architect, Williewonka who gave more insights and philosophy on how the cable came into existence.

That conversation got the ball rolling in converting one of my KLE Duelund interconnects to Steve’s Helix designed which only entailed replacing the neutral with a Mil-Spec 16 AWG silver-plated copper wire with the neural wire being 3 times longer than the signal wire and of course the “Coiling” of the neutral wire : )

After the modification was complete, I was not sure what to expect from the Helix cabling but I was quite shocked with the results with “ZERO” burn-in time…The sound stage became much wider/deeper with a much tighter/focused image and clarity/transparency is like nothing I have ever heard in any cabling regardless of cost. In fact, I just sold a full loom of a commercially designed Helix Cable that’s renowned around the world and has more direct sale than any cable manufacturer; these $200 DIY Helix Cables walked all over them…

I believe you will hear the same results as I have and have heard back from friends who have already modified their Duelunds with the same results; WOW! Remember the cables will need 200+ hours to burn-in and settle into your system. My system is now 90% DIY Helix to include IC, SC, PC and Coax with each cabling adding its beauty of an organic and natural presentation that draws you into the fabric of the music.

You can tailor the sound of your cables using Duelund, Mundorf silver/1% gold, the outstanding Vh Audio OCC Solid Copper or Silver with Airlok Insulation or your favorite wiring and you can change it at any time…

 

http://www.image99.net/blog/files/category-diy-cables.html

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/difference-in-sound-between-copper-and-silver-digital-cables

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/adding-shielding-to-existing-cables

 

Enjoy,

Wig


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pindac
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I have meticulously read through about 70% of the Thread and have a much better grasp of the preferences of the Cable Builders.

My Last list of Cables was presented was more in keeping with selecting cables for a Version of IC's I had in mind.

This thread has caused me to rethink that earlier thought pattern.

I had continued a Search since my last post and discovered a supplier of
PC Triple C Wire 34 x 0.18mm ( 18 AWG ). 

As a result of the discovery of the wire supplier I was hoping to discover a positive report on using this AWG 'Stranded Wire' within this thread.

I believe Steve - 'williwonka' tried a version with stranded wire on a Guitar Lead ?

Also 'grannyring'  has reported on the using of stranded wire,
but has sung the praises of Solid Core and the much improved benefits of using it.

With this additional information as a motivation,
I have extended my search and come up with a option that is in keeping with the preferences being made on this thread, and I hope is seen as useful to the inquisitive Cable Builders visiting the thread.

Acoustic Revive are producing a Speaker Cable that has a 
PC Triple C Wire Solid Core 0.9mm ( 19 AWG ).
The cost of this is sold by the Metre ( 39 Inches ) @ GBP £ 6.00.
Effectively £ 3.00 per Single Metre Length.

It will be purchased to be Imported.
Shipping and Import Levies will apply to the above. 

Additionally I have in the past been working out RCA Plug Options for 
RCA's I as intending on experimenting with.

I bought Aeco RCA Connectors with a Solid Silver Live/Centre Pin.
( Similar to KLEI pricing )

I was also going to try out Zavfino 1877 RCA Connectors with a
OCC Copper Live/Centre Pin. ( Quite Affordable for Four Units )

I have not seen the above Connectors referred to during my reading of the thread.

A Friend has KLEI RCA Connectors in  both Silver and Copper so these were going to be used to assist with the assessments of the Cable Builds produced by myself.  
 
As a side:
I have indirectly entered the world of Helix Cables as I have in use for many years Mapleshade Clearview Double Helix Speaker Cables. 
These Superseded all other cables I owned.
  

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mawe
34 posts
 
Steve
I think no 3. you meant UP-OFC ??
williewonka
3,071 posts
 
@mawe - #3 is correct - BUT #1 should be UP-OCC Silver - thanks for brining it to my attention :-)

Here’s the correct list - and I’ve deleted the post with the mistake
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I had not seen IACS rating for UP-OCC metals before, so I thought I would post this list of all metals commonly used in audio products

Electrical Conductivity or IACS rating
  • International Annealed Copper Standard
  • where Tough Pitch copper is the benchmark at 100%

The IACS rating (i.e. conductivity) for the best conductors are
  1. UP-OCC Silver - 107%
  2. Pure Silver - 105%
  3. UP-OCC copper - 103%
  4. OFC Copper - 101%
  5. Pure copper (aka Tough Pitch) - 100%
Please Note: the values above may vary slightly depending on the source

Other metals frequently used in audio applications for plating...
  • Gold - 70%
  • Rhodium - 39%
  • Nickel - 24%
  • Platinum - 16%
When use for plating, these metals require a substrate plating material to be placed on the copper first.

However - Silver is the only metal that can be plated directly onto copper without degrading performance

Other copper alloys most used, especially for pins in Connectors of all types...
  • Tellurium Copper - 93 %
  • Beryllium Copper - 45%
  • Brass - 26%-27%
  • Bronze - 15%-19%
Hope this clarifies yet another part of the cables puzzle

Regards - Steve
luisma31
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@williewonka


These amplifiers adopt a completely "balanced" design approach in that the speaker outputs have a +ve and -ve terminal

Nice posting Steve, after trying many cables on my Atmasphere mono amps and preamp rig over the last few years I realized cables wouldn't really make much difference on it. Which is what Ralph have been saying for decades about the cable colorations in true balanced equipment.

Now I don't know if the speaker outputs are also balanced on Atmasphere equipment but trying different speaker cables (of normal length 4 to 9 ft and normal typical gauge 10 to 16) doesn't make much difference either. I believe the sauce that makes the whole chain impervious to colorations is upstream.

But thank you all for posting, following your notes I will give the Helix a try.



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