A move from Harbeth to... Wilson?


Hi gang, hoping for some thoughts. 

I'm very happy at the moment with my system, but getting a slight itch for an upgrade. So many options and directions I could go, but the one I'm pondering at the moment is moving from my Harbeth C7ES-3 speakers to Wilson Sabrinas. (The Sabrina X is now out, which may bring the Sabrina down to my budget... maybe.)

My room is approx. 10'6" x 15'6" with the speakers along the short wall and my listening chair is about 2/3 back from said wall. The C7s plus their stands are just about the right size for this room, and the Sabrinas on their floor spikes are similar in "overall" size, though obviously the speakers themselves are bigger.

Current amp is a Pass Labs XA30.5 which doubles down at 4Ohms (plus lots of headroom) and comes just within Wilson's "recommended" amplifier power. The room is on the smaller side, and I don't listen loud; I've never "wanted" for more power with the C7s. (Though every once in a while I wonder what a pair of XA60.5s would sound like in here, but that's an entirely different thread.)

Eh? Any thoughts?
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11-05-2020 6:07pmGeoff won’t like this but i had two 60-90 minute demos with the Sasha Daw in Manhattan this past July and found the $37k speakers too dry and clinical to my ears. Although on the plus side great soundstage, imaging and super clean as I could hear every lyric (which is a problem for me as I have asymmetrical hearing loss), it just tired me out. It had no soul to me. Meanwhile I wound up with the Harbeth 40.2 Anniversary and absolutely adore their warmth and natural sounding musicality. Vocals are liquid smooth

What was your equipment? Is it the same type of equipment you use in your home? As with any speaker (room size, placement, etc.) and components, it makes a huge difference. I have the original Wilson Max 2’s and the equipment I used with the Cary Audio SLP-05 with the Ultimate Upgrade and Tube Rolling, I’ve used on the Monoblock amplifier side, the Cary Audio CAD805 AE Monoblock,  the Chord SPM6000 Monoblock, Audio Research REF250 SE Monoblock, and now McIntosh MC2301 Monoblock. In mentioning this, trust me, it’s all about matching the equipment with the speaker. Listen with your ears as you try to decide with your eyes.
@decathlon1991 was top of the line Audio Research rack and the other was Dan D'agostino momentum line. Is that matching equipment? 
My Harbeth 40.2 are now 5 years old. These speakers are a joy to listen to. Something intangible that is beyond description. I have no thoughts about changing or "upgrading". I can relax and enjoy my music collection.
@layton64
Spot on ! That intangible their users talk about is their tonality.  It has to be experienced in the right setup to understand. 




To address what I don’t like about the Harbeths, that would cause an upgrade "itch" to be scratched? It’s hard to say - they do from time to time sound a bit "boxy" on big, orchestral stuff.




I understand what you mean about the "bit boxy" thing.


I LOVE Harbeth speakers. They are easily in my top favorite speaker lines, for essentially the reasons they have their fans: that rich, organic tonality and even top to bottom balance, clarity without fatigue, etc.I’ve listened to the whole line up, and heard the 40.2s do astonishing things. The Harbeths disappear far more than you’d expect given their old school "boxy" look.


But while they do an excellent disappearing act, that isn’t their strongest characteristic. It’s bettered by other speakers, the modern designs that go for heroic attempts at reducing cabinet noise etc.


I had the big Thiel 3.7 speakers and was looking to see if I could downsize a bit due to some aesthetic / ergonomic issues. I actually bought a pair (used) of Harbeth SuperHL5plus speakers and lived with them for a month or two. They were fantastic in all the ways I’d heard from them before: open, rich, organic, sparkling highs without fatigue, so balanced and controlled from top to bottom, and special with vocals - the way they fleshed out the human voice in such a human way.


However, I found when comparing to my Thiels, which are of the "low cabinet/low coloration" school, the Thiels seemed to do almost everything the Harbeths were doing, but better. They had a rich, full quality - e.g. acoustic guitars had wonderful full sized body - and a similar organic realistic timbre to acoustic instruments and voices. But the sound was just that much more clean and precise and hence realistic. So for instance, playing tracks from the Los Angeles Guitar Quartet, 4 classical guitarists playing at the same time, both speakers had beautiful tone and sound very similar, but compared to the Thiels there was an "extra" bit of tone in the Harbeths, a bit of "hearing the box" added, making for a bit of blur in between the guitars. Where the Thiels seemed to clean up everything around the guitars, for a cleaner more precise and live and realistic presentation.


So I think the Harbeths beat plenty of speakers on their wonderful tonal quality and balance. And I’d take them over the majority of speakers out there that I’ve heard. And their balance of box vibration is so canny that you don’t necessarily notice most of the time and can even add to the richness. But in direct comparison with even more precise speakers, it might make you itch for more (as long as those other speakers can compete well enough in most other areas of tone with the Harbeths).


In the end I sold the Harbeths and kept looking. Still, they were so good with voices they haunt me, and I’d love to have a pair of Harbeths still around to throw in my system.