the proper question, utahusker would be,,, what did you do with the "best speaker ever , end all , im off the merry-go-round ,no need to go any farther in the quest for the perfect speaker , i found the perfect speaker and , can you beleive?? for under 1 grand , that sounds better then 5 -10 times it cost speaker "??!! (wushhhh) Great question utah , what did he do with them ??? and,,, how much did he get for them .I would luv to know why he got rid of them . Gpowered ....pleeeese enlighten us. |
What did you do with your Lores Gpowered? |
Great review Ballywho!!! The Lore is surely a pleasant surprise! Please check out my P-dragon write up in the review forum |
Great review Mark! I'm very excited to get mine. |
I received my Lores last Wednesday. The packaging, fit, finish... everything...was top notch, and the fact that Eric takes the time to give you updates on where your speakers are in the build and paint phases, and give you specific unpacking instructions is really darn nice; the man and the company are about as customer-oriented as I could expect.
Straight out of the box, my very first test track was a real driver abuser: The Detroit Escalator Co.'s "Manual Transmission" off their Black Buildings album. I figure this may be the best break-in track out there: With a range of [probably] 20-20, and a veritable fireworks show of drum sounds (along with many other tones), it really puts the full range through the gamut. Heck, I blew a picture off the wall with it (seriously).
Once I got them in the position I felt was the best, I proceeded to throw some live albums at them, just to see how imaging would come out. Jethro Tull's Aqualung Live (a show I saw in Jones Hall in Houston) sounded spacious and detailed. And that 30kHz top end really brings out the "air."
As an aside, the best imaging speaker I can think of, or at least the most holographic one I've ever heard, was the Totem Arro. I doubt the Lores will achieve that downright surreal imaging - which, quite frankly, I value highly - but the Arros will never ever be able to touch the Lores in sheer dynamics (and how would they with a 4.5" driver). I suppose there's always going to be trade-offs, but in this case I would rather have the flatter frequency response, air-throwing 10" FR and huge, detailed sound coming from the Lores.
Back to the musis: Another fun one was Kraftwerk's "Minimum-Maximum," the band's first official live album. When "Autobahn" comes on - for example - you feel like you really are amdist the crowd. "How fun is this?!" I thought. The track "Vitamin" begins, then the bass notes hit and the crowd goes nuts... I was again all smiles. Too cool. The sound coming from the Lores is just so, well, big; the sound is immersive.
With acoustic guitar, I was really amazed. I loved AG with the Moth Audio Cicada's I used to own, thinking that they rendered the truest acoustic guitar sound I had heard to date, however... There's an album by Pierre Bensusan, for example, called "Musiques." The recording level seems rather low and always sounded kind of puny, at least compared to his other albums, but with the Lores I sat on the couch and listened to the thing from start to finish. I'm not going to sat it suddenly sounded immense or anything (the recording is just not going to go there), but it was certainly not the same as the other 100 times I had listened to it. It was just one of those situations where I went, "So, this is how it sounds."
Solo piano through the Lores, as well, is equally wonderful: Glenn Gould is in the room. Adding that tweeter inline with the FR adds that last bit of information that unveils what may have been somewhat hidden before. And you pianists will know what I mean: It's the difference between playing with the lid closed and the mute depressed and playing it with the lid wide open and your foot off the mute. That may sound a bit dramatic, but that's how the sound changed for me. The large FR driver moving the air and the 30kHz tweeter make for a "complete picture." And obviously Eric's enclosure is porting everything to relative perfection.
I could go on and on about other music types I've listened to through them over the past five days, but I won't put you through that. I'm sure you can glean from my comments that I'm quite impressed.
I know I've not gone into any great detail with the above comments, but I will say that this is the most enjoyable speaker I've ever owned, and have been listening steadily since I received them. And to be able to say that with them coming right out of the box is pretty darn amazing. As a reference, the following is what I've used over the years (not the most stellar lineup, but then again I've never had much of a budget to work with):
- Bose 301
- Klipsch SB1
- Klipsch KSB 2.1
- Omega Loudspeakers TS3
- Epos ELS-3
- Totem Arro
- Moth Audio Cicada
- Morrow Audio monitors (10" Audio Nirvana FR driver)
- Magnepan Magnaplanar MMG
- Swan Diva 2.1se
My amp is an Audio Innovations Series 500 integrated, using Genalex Gold Lion KT77's, 6922's and 12AX7's. The source is a v3 Squeezebox going to a Musical Fidelity V-DAC over a DH Labs Silver Sonic D-75 coax; the interconnects are DH Labs Silver Sonic BL-1 Series 2; the speaker cabling is Audio Quest Type 2.
Cheers,
Mark |
Wednesday is the day!! Granted they will be break in mode for a while :0) Stay tuned!! |
Waiting as well. I bought the 4.5's, they are breaking in as I write this note; my wife loves them so far she would like just a tad more bass, but hey, it is a 4.5 speaker can't expect much more...oh, its paired with a new Jolida FX10, 10 watts, no problem, sounding rich, deep soundstage, witdth getting better by the day. Nice pairing. She likes these so much, she said, "get the Lore if you'd like." |
Anxious to hear your review Gpowered. I'm buying some Lore's to match with my NOS Valves VRD 45st Amp, and Juicy Music Blueberry Extreme pre. Just waiting the funds from my Lascala sale. |
UPDATE: I am happy to report that my highly anticipated Pendragons are shipping. Email me if you want to see a picture. Eric made some slight aterations/refinements to the production version. They are front ported. They look incredible!!! |
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Genjamon: Thanks... Just finishing reading various reviews. I think it might work out and just a sub.
For those who have listen to Geddes Abbey or other waveguided speakers, how does it compare to the Lore? From what I has being reading, waveguided speakers offer good sound quality for music and excellent SPL and dyanmics for movies. But music is more important so, I'm thinking about the Lore too.
Also, what other bookshelf or monitor speakers that has a similar sound quality to Lore? Need one for bedroom that can only use bookshelf speakers. |
I use mine in a mixed music and TV situation. All 2-channel for both. It's been absolutely fine for me for both purposes, but I'm not as picky with movies. I have to say the most fun I've had thus far with my Lores has been with a Ween concert DVD. |
I'm thinking about getting the Lore speakers for a home theater system, 60% for music and 40% for movies in my living room. Is Lore speakers suitable for using as a main speaker for watching movies in modest listening level? |
Has anyone tried using the Tekton Lore for a theater system setup as a main? Does it has good dynamic and SPL for modest listening level but not reference level? I will be using it 60% music and 40% movies. |
Can't wait for your impressions, Gpowered! |
Just an FYI - My Pendragons are being painted Monday, so stay tuned I will have them the following week! |
My room is 16X25 ft with 8ft ceilings. It's a early 50's ranch-style house, with suspended floor over crawl space. The room with the system is rectangular, with the house's front door on left wall at rear, 5 foot opening to dining room on right wall at rear, 3 ft opening to hallway on rear wall to the right. All these positions relative to listening position 1/3 of the way into the room from the rear wall. Speakers and system are along front wall, with rear of Lores now 15 inches from front wall, 17 inches from side wall. I have GIK tri-traps from floor to ceiling in front corners, GIK absorption at first reflection points, GIK diffusion panels on rear wall directly behind listening position and on front wall between Lores and the flat panel TV in the middle.
Yes, it's possible I've lost some soundfield depth not having them farther out in the room. Unfortunately, I'm not willing to have them 3+ feet into the room due to competing space needs for other room purposes, and I've never tried them that far out. Maybe the next time I have an afternoon free for plenty of experimentation I'll try that option and see what I think. For now, I'm quite happy I've found an option that doesn't require a subwoofer. There are some benefits to lower Lore bass output and using a subwoofer, in that I could use the multi-parametric EQ capabilities of my Behringer to deal with room modes very effectively. However, there are coherency negatives that Paul has mentioned, and I right now I'm enjoying them thoroughly without those coherency issues. |
Glad to hear you took the effort to get the room involved.
It makes a huge difference. |
Genjamon - with the Lores that close to the back wall, are you compromising 3D image and depth with that placement? Just curious...
when I had my Lores, the back of the speaker was at least 3 full FT off the back wall. Usually with front ported designs, the bass doesn't change as much when moving closer to a back wall... this is interesting findings but obviously every one has its own character.
Sebrof is in a smaller room so that explains why the Lores can overload the room easier. |
I do understand the boomy/heavy issue as well. As I said, I ended up with the Lores about 15 inches from front wall. I started the experimentation at 6 inches. I moved them out a couple inches at a time, and in each case the bass became more balanced, defined, and less boomy. I was quite surprised that bass weight didn't change all that much between 6 inches and 15 inches. That's about 10 inches! The new position is only 5 inches from before experimentation, and there are light years of difference in bass response! Very strange... At least now I have found the right balance of definition and weight for my room, making the subwoofer optional at this point for when I want to be a bass freak. |
Hey that's good news Genjamon.
I tried the "cross in front of you" toe in and didn't like it much either. But I'm not surprised about the difference in bass by moving only a few inches. Bass can be very finicky indeed. In my room I have the opposite problem in that bass can be boomy/heavy if it's not set up right. I have the advantage of a dedicated room so I can pretty much move around as I like. |
Ok, my damned EEE netbook likes to randomly delete stuff sometimes. A good chunk of the third paragraph in my last post is missing. The missing chunk describes how my Behringer EQ has a real-time spectrum analyzer, and signal is fed in parallel with the speakers - direct from the amp. Basically, the point is that I have a graphical display showing me the signal the speakers are seeing. This means I can compare what I'm hearing with what the signal looks like. I can tell if a peaky note is actually that loud, or if the signal has it the same as other notes in the song. This allows me to know whether the sounds I'm hearing are from speakers/room or if they're from the signal itself. It's a very handy thing, removing one of the most important variables, whether the system sounds like what the signal says or not.
Of course, it's fairly crude in that it depends on my perception of audible loudness of different sounds compared to what I'm seeing on the display. Still, it gets me much closer to the truth than without it.
I then introduced an example. Ray Lamontagne's "Shelter" song off of his first album. From that reference onward, the rest of my post is what I intended. |
Well guys, I have some minor apologizing to do. I've been playing around with Lore placement all afternoon. I had done some significant placement experimentation in the first couple weeks and thought I had a good idea of what was going on. A few of you had recommended trying them very close to the front wall as well as others recommended toe-in so they cross well in front of the listening position.
I had previously resisted placement close to front wall due to issues with TV stand placement as well as subwoofers. I had concerns these things would obstruct Lore drivers, requiring me to move around a good amount of other stuff in the room in order to try this Lore placement. Today I finally had the time and room availability to work on this. I was able to get cables and other stuff out of the way to push the other "furniture" back about five inches toward the front wall. This allowed me enough flexibility to move the Lore's as close as 6" from the front wall.
Well, my goodness. Turned off that subwoofer, and lo and behold, there's plenty of "Shelter" song on his first album, the bass is peaky in one of the bass notes. I can confirm that that's the actual signal and not a room mode of mine. Something about their recording process on that album must have had a resonance at about 40 or 50hz, because bass notes at that frequency really spike in the signal. And this is how it sounds to my ears as well. Reproduce this approach in all the songs I'm listening to, especially while optimizing bass, and I have a pretty good idea what stuff is just part of the signal and what is due to speakers and/or room.
Ok, with that said, low bass comes through adequately on the Lores now that I have them placed closer to front walls, enough that there is no need for subwoofer for most music. I will need to go back and redo my EQ on the subwoofer so it's crossed over around 35-40hz or so and only supports sub-35hz. There's no need for it above that range.
I ended up with the rear of the Lores 15" from my front wall, and same distance from sidewalls as before (18" or so), with mild toe-in. I didn't like the aggressive toe
-in. It collapsed the soundstage too much and also cause some smearing in imaging and instrument separation.
This is only about 5" closer to the front wall than previously - very surprising to me that these few inches would make such a huge difference in bass response.
Anyway, sorry guys for not fully exploring placement before coming to my previous bass response conclusions. Cwazz, if you haven't yet played around aggressively with speaker placement, I would really recommend it. |
Zu had a list of amps they tested the Omen with. Best bang for buck accordinig to Zu was the Dynaco which fits your budget. There were quite a few others some of which have been mentioned. |
Although out of the amps I mentioned, it would be wise to do an analysis based on Rescoe's lesson on damping factor -on the tubes amps that is - we may be more likely to nail the desired outcome |
Gpowered , unfortunally the owner had the same idea , it was on loan to me from a freind . thanks for your other suggestions , i am looking a all my options |
Cwazz - Assuming your Fisher can get you about $400 back in your pocket, allow me to suggest the following amps that are all on Audiogon now - most I have heard minus the Cayin (but I've heard great things about them). All of these should be fairly easy to resell also.
Vincent SP-331 Hybrid (although $700)
Cayin TA-30 Bizzy Bee (this would be my choice)
Jolida JD-302B or 202A
Rega Mira 3 - if you want solid state
I believe any one of these could be a great match for the Lores. It seems like you prefer vintage for front end, no? |
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Cwazz,
Tube amps can sound mighty different. Particular things to keep in mind with them are not only the tubes used but also whether there is negative feeback in the circuitry and the amp's damping factor. Too high a damping factor with designs like the Lores leads to overdamped bass. That may or may not be your problem, but I'd put it on the list of suspects. I loved the Aleph 30 in a DIY speaker of similar design to the Lore. But the damping factor was too high and this seriously impacted the quality and amount of bass I got compared to amps with lower damping factors. Of course there is also the worry of underdamping too, which leads to less controlled, boomier bass.
Might be the speaker, might be synergy with this mystery unnamed tube amp. |
well sebrof the tube amp did cahnge the sound , but it just wasnt for me , so the search continues!! |
06-06-11: Cwazz
"Sebroff I apreciate the help , the 35 amp was actually a intergrated amp. I am use to the sub woofer.I had volume at 8-9 depending on the music."
Couldn't make it easy, eh Cwazz :)
The 35 watt tube integrated amp sounds like it should have been a pretty good match, and it does eliminate the Hafler so, well, ummm...I got nuthin' man. Sorry. |
Sebroff I apreciate the help , the 35 amp was actually a intergrated amp. I am use to the sub woofer.I had volume at 8-9 depending on the music. |
"I know if I check your earlier post you compare the Lores to speakers costing thousands more. I beleive you actually called them the best AND,last speaker you would own."
Yes! And they could have very wel been, if it wasn't for the upgraditis :)
"I would love to be able to have multiple amps , preamps to compare with the Lores , but as everyone knows here this not a inexpensive hob."
Cwazz - do what most of us do, sell your front end, and buy something different for equivalent $ that is a better match. What exactly do you have again so we can make recommendations? You definitely have to be willing to take some chances. It may seem like I have all thos money to burn - I do not. I am just using $ I have brought in from equipment I have sold. I agree I do not have the money to go nuts - especially being a young family with 3 children |
In my 16x25 room with vaulted ceiling the Lores are not light. 20 Hz? Well, no kidding, of course not. But they are quite well-balanced and bass is decent even for rock. I wouldn't use a sub if I had one. They are only 6" from the front wall (the near corner of each).
I think it is appropriate for Eric to be proud with the speaker's bass response and, frankly, he's right: there are lots of people that are used to/like/need an overripe midbass. The Zu Defs, despite extending lower, obviously, had similar bass characteristics: that is, neutral.
Cwazz, I have no idea what your room sounds like; none of that is directed at you.
The thing is, below 60-80 Hz the room is such an important component that no general conclusions can be drawn without considering it. |
no need to be sorry Genjamon , I agree with most you say on the post for Lores |
I've heard the Lores on a 2A3 SET, a 100 watt EL34 integrated, and a 200 watt SS (Carver) and tube preamp.
Both tube amps sounded very good with the Lores, the SS amp was a non-starter. As soon as we hooked it up we knew we needed to disconnect it.
Cwazz had a 35 watt tube amp and still had light bass, so my guess is that it could be a number of things:
1. His hafler preamp is the culprit
2. He's used to a sub
3. His room has a suck-out that is compensated by the sub
4. What is prodigious bass to me is light bass to him
Cwazz - How high do you turn the NHT sub up when playing music. I mentioned the Paradigm monitors/sub I used to own, and when playing music I would have the volume on the sub just barely turned up. 7:00 was all the way down, I would turn it to 8 or 9 and be fine with bass. If your sub is turned up to say 10 or 11:00 then it indicates to me that the system/room is light on bass to your taste. |
Sorry I misinterpreted your position a bit, Cwazz. I know in your earlier posts you had positives to say about the Lores in addition to being unsettled about the bass performance. When you said "As far as being happy , the Lores were a step backwards in that quest." in one of your last posts, I thought you'd become fully dissatisfied with the Lores.
I'm not really familiar with your electronics, but others have insinuated there may be better pairings with the Lore. I'm curious if others could make some general recommendations for improvement, those with greater familiarity with what you have right now. |
OK for the LAST time please read all my postings before anyone says again I am unhappy with the Lores . I just accept them for what they are ,a thousand dollar speaker , not miracles wonders, with a added comment that they do not have the weight (thanks genjamon) that I was expected , told, they would have . Otherwise I do like them .They ,for the most part though , have been a lateral move for me. I am not trying to run anyone down the road .
Gpowered , I am not a HT guy ,far from it actually. Gpowered please look into the Stereophiles archive reccomended issues for NHT SUPER ZEROES with the sub . They are compared to , speakers ten times their cost ,, for what that is worth . They are not just for HT . I know if I check your earlier post you compare the Lores to speakers costing thousands more .I beleive you actually called them the best AND,last speaker you would own .
I would love to be able to have multiple amps , preamps to compare with the Lores , but as everyone knows here this not a inexpensive hobby . I have I beleive in my original post , ask for suggestions on what electronics, cables to use. I am still open for suggestions. |
Genjamon - much more thoughtful and value added response compared to what I initially posted Thanks.
I've spoken to Eric numerous times and I don't believe he meant for his blog entry to come off as insulting or arrogant. I know he takes his work very seriously (probably too seriously) and he was probably attempting to put a nail in the coffin with that post. I agree that the Lores are not what I would consider the most "full" or weighty or rich sounding speaker Ive had, but at the same time I didn't think they were lacking in that area. But again, I think we can all agree that it is asking allot of a single 10 FRD to give us everything.
I am, however, very interested in hearing what the new Pendragon can do - it is designed to be an extremely dynamic and heavy hitting speaker. I am hoping that it will be everything the Lore is plus what the Lore cannot do due to physics, etc. Honestly though, and from speaking to Eric, I am sure the lore is still the bread and butter and best value in the line. I chose to take the plunge, but as I mentioned I was very reluctant to make this move because the Lore was a speaker I could have stayed with. I am not looking back though... I will post on them soon! |
I think it's important not to get too distracted by the impressions of a single person. Clearly, Gpowered and Cwazz are not only listening very differently, but they are at opposite ends of the spectrum in their opinions about the Lores. Not much valuable information can be gathered by an extended discussion among people who clearly are not on the same page to begin with.
I happen to be another person who hasn't been completely satisfied with the bass response in terms of being able to play the Lores full range without any bass support. I was very appreciative of Cpapace's enumeration several posts ago about the different variables at work in bass response. In fact, I wish Eric himself was this thoughtful in his postings about the topic, as I'm sure he understands all that.
I found Eric's blog post on his website about measurements to have a confrontational tone rather than an explanatory one, unfortunately, and somewhat insulting to someone in my position. I definitely don't like peaky or boomy bass. As I've explained in my initial posts, I actually like a very balanced bass sound and go to significant steps to find it. I just like my bass to sound equal in weight to midrange and high frequencies. In my room, with my equipment, this has required subwoofer and equalization as well as room treatment. What's wrong with that!!?? I can tell you I've gone through effort to remove peaks using equalization, and the result is a very articulate bass reproduction. It's nothing like what Eric insinuates on his blog.
The simple fact of the matter is that Cpapace's listed variables can easily combine to a situation where the Lore is weak in the bass department for a given listener and their environment.
It sounds to me like Cwazz isn't interested in experimenting with different electronics to get the most out of the Lores. At the same time, Eric has made it pretty clear through his marketing that he considers the Lores capable of playing great with even mid-fi or inexpensive electronics. What's wrong with Cwazz being a bit upset that this hasn't been the case for him? Still, I would expect he might want to use this forum to explore more options for his situation rather than just running the Lores down the road.
Anyway, I'd rather spend forum time talking about the Lores somewhere between the fanboy and skeptic perspectives. Most of us realize no speaker is perfect, and most of us can talk about both strengths and weaknesses of our speakers and electronics.
I, for one, am very happy with my purchase of the Lores, despite them needing a bit of bass help in my situation. They continue to let me hear deeper and clearer into the music, and to allow me to connect more emotionally to it as well. For the price, they continue to be a grand bargain. I'm just mad that Eric has now created an upgrade option to tempt me. I wanted to just remain happy and uninterested in upgrading the Lores for a very long time. |
Cwazz - I am all about diversity and to each his/her own, but that comparison is just silly. I have an NHT sub for HT. NHT makes great stuff! But is not in the same league for music. It is not even designed to be in the same league for music. That's a good thing if you prefer that, because it should save you lots of money down the road since you cannot discern differences in higher end speakers. My wife is that way, and I commend her for that though I do not really get it.
But to say a couple $99 speakers and a sub sounds better than the Lore, is like saying my 2011 Ford Fiesta would outperform a brand new Mitsu Lancer Evolution. The Fiesta gets great gas mileage and handles awesome, but is not an evo, nor is it designed to compete with an Evo.
The fact that you prefer a $99 speaker tells me you either:
Are used to and perhaps after a HT type setup and are more of a background music listener than an actual critical listener (again, nothing wrong with that)
Cannot discern major differences in resolution (because there would be tremendous differences)
Or perhaps you are affiliated with the competition in some way. After such comments one must begin to wonder. You would likely be on an island all by yourself with that analysis :)
Lastly, I can promise you, if my $99 speaker with about $35-$40 worth of parts out performed my $1,000 speakers, you can bet that the $1,000 would have been sent back for a refund the next day.
Again, what is the logic and point of all of this negative feedback? There is certainly NOTHING wrong with you not drinking the same kool aid." But seriously, you are on verge of losing all your credibility with a post like that. I've had many HT based speakers - most sound really good, but they cannot not even come near recreating the live event, nor are they designed to. |
Thanks Cwazz, I was wondering what speakers you had.
I had Paradigm Mini MkIVs at one time with the matching sub and liked them a lot. When I got them (when they were the current model) they were compared a lot against the NHTs. I never heard the NHTs but always thought they must be good speakers because of the direct compares to the Paradigms. The Paradigm sub integrated well with the speakers, I would guess the same goes for the NHTs. |
Cwazz, I found that I needed to get the room involved to get the 30hz from the speaker.
For a long time I felt there was a gap in my lower mids and bass.
I moved the speakers closer to the wall behind the speakers and closer to the walls on the side.
I had rear ported speakers before the Lore and can verify that you can't place a front ported speaker in the same place as a rear ported speaker and get the same performance.
I also toed the Lore in quite a bit to help in the depth of the soundstage.
Hope this helps.
John |
I replaced NHT SUPER ZEROES paired with there sub.
Bass has improved a bit since I had them . Before I get the response that you can't compare a sub to the Lores , I realize that . I did not expect to , but in MY hearing , taste , the Lores do not live up to the claim of 30 hz. Nor do they live up to the NHT's any other way also , truely amazing speaker . |
I received the Lores a few weeks ago and am very impressed with their performance.
My room has poor bass due to room dimensions so I have added my REL Strata III sub, crossed over at a low frequency to avoid muddying the bass of the Lores. I find this fills in the low bass frequencies, impact, and weight very nicely. A subwoofer could be the remedy for those who like more bass.
Eric also mentioned to me that the sound of the Lore is often helped by putting them on hard platforms. This raises the drivers to a better position in relation to ear height for better coherence plus other benefits. My Lores were on a carpeted suspended floor and I put them on concrete flat blocks I already had from Home Depot. As a result, I now have deeper tighter bass, much better clarity, much better spatial information, etc. I found this to be a very significant improvement, providing much more of a "you are there" experience, and recommend this especially if you do not have a hard floor. Precise placement is needed to achieve the optimum spatial benefits. Precise in that 1/16" seems to make a difference. I assume there is better sounding material than concrete, but it is a very inexpensive way to test the benefit of this concept, just a few dollars. Plus I think it looks nice with my Lores in white satin. |
Cwazz - Just curious, what speakers were you trying to replace with the Lores?
Has the bass improved any now that they have more hours on them? I'm in a small room so the bass is *almost* too much for me, but I did have them in a larger room (19 x 16 or something) and the bass was still pretty darn good. That was with a 100 watt tube amp (vs a 2A3 SET in my room). |
I saw it implied here that the new Lore (Pandragon?) has a "dedicated bass driver". That implies it is a three-way speaker and that is NOT the case - both FRD are run, well, full-range. It is a two-way speaker as is the Lore (or "augmented widebander" or FRD + tweeter or however you want to phrase it).
That comes from Eric. |
Again Gpowered ,some of us have a limited budget and just can not buy things on a whim . That is the only fact that I need to know . Sorry I don't drink the same Koolaid you do.As far as being happy , the Lores were a step backwards in that quest. |
B rodgers - The drivers are also Eminence. It is still a very simple design. He is telling me it is the next step up and very similar sonically to the LORE, but you know Eric - he does not want to get too technical on how he achieved this as it draws attention away from the end result.
I will surely let you know when I get mine. I am also very curious about how he achieved this.
I know which tweeter he is using in this model and it's a very good tweeter. |
Hi. I thought I would pipe in. It's no secret I'm a fan of tekton. I've actually done some art work for Eric and done some recent videos. But let me take a step back for a moment. I'm also a hobbiest speaker builder. I am by no means a professional builder, but it is relaxing and fun. I've only been building speakers for 3 years or so.
So here is my personal take on speakers in general.
1# Measurements are very important. They are a scientific and mathimatical way of double checking what I'm doing. They really help when I'm am building crossovers. Doing it by ear alone is very hard to do. Well, for me impossible. I also use mathematics to determine box, port, and stuffing size.
2# Everyones ears are built a little different, and so we have to have a way to determine certain things. My ears certainly hear subtle differences that vary from others. An even playing field is very important, again accurate measurements help that.
3# Rooms are different, again measurements really can help.
4# Choosing the right combo of drivers to work together is also important. In my opinion no crossover / box size can overcome a bad combination.
#5 Experience. No matter what design I come up with Eric has some extra knowledge that improves my design and overall sound.
#6 A flat response does many things, but one important thing it does in my opinion is to make sure that a certain frequency is not out of kilt/over powering another frequency. In otherwords it makes the speaker sound more natural. Now if I'm watching a movie and want un-realistic thumping of bass to rock my seat then sure. Give me the BASS!!! But if I want a more realistic / believable representation of the band being the room with me then a flatter frequency response is a key component. In my humble opinion.
I think you need both hearing and real hard science behind your work.
Of course in the end, if you are happy with your speakers then that is what is important. For me I build a set enjoy then and then build another just for fun. There is no end. Kind of like any other hobby. For some people it's cars, computers, boats, skies etc.. You get the idea.
Back to tekton. Having done some work for Eric. It's always exicting to see his passion, and continual struggle to make a speaker even better. That is hard to find sometimes.
it's all about he sound baby! |
Gpowered,
Did Eric mention what makes the new speaker similar to the lore? It appears to be different in most ways. Different drivers, multiple tweeters, crossovers, etc... |
