Jedinite24,
I am thinking of moving fro Audio Nirvana 12" to the Lores. Do let us know how the two compare if/when you have a chance to compare them. |
Genjamon,
Good to see another Ween fan here.
I'm also a Horn Shoppe owner and would be very interested in your impressions compared to those speakers.
Also, how difficult was it to integrate the Lore's with your sub? What crossover point did you use? |
And is there anyone in the Chicagoland area with some Lores? I'd love to get a listen. Would even schlep over some amps to see how they sound with different amplification....
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Thanks for the crossover info. I have found that taking some of the load off my main drivers by using both a high and low pass filter really improved things. Not sure if this was due to taking the load off my main speaker amp or from taking the load off the speakers...
Worth experimenting with perhaps.
Thanks for the info and glad the mp3 problem isn't with the speaker |
Genjamon,
Where do you have the crossover set for your sub? And are you using a filter to take some of the low freq loas off of the Lore driver?
On the mp3 problem, I would check with Eric. Popping or ticking suggests a tweeter problem.
Please do keep us informed on all of this. |
No direct experience with the Lore, but in my experience with a full range driver design, I have found that the quality and frequency extension of the bass can be very dependent on the damping factor of your amp. I had an Aleph 30 that I loved with the exception of the bass. In my system (96dB sensitivity 12" Audio Nirvana drivers in a bass reflex design, so some similarities to the Lore design), the bass with the Aleph 30 was overdamped due to the high damping factor. With lower damping factor amps (FirstWatt F1, F2J and my current Atma-sphere S-30), the bass sounded much better, with nicer bass extension. But beware that if the damping factor is too low, you can get bass that is loose or sloppy. Hope this helps.
I sure hope to get a chance to hear some Lores with my Atma-sphere. Still fishing around to find a Lore owner in the Chicago area (hint, hint). Otherwise, I will have to just pull the trigger... |
Cwazz,
What is the damping factor of the amps you used? This can really affect the bass extension. As I mentioned above, I have found that low damping factor amps play very well with full range drivers in ported boxes, as long as they don't lead to the driver becoming underdamped, which would lead to loose and sloppy bass.
It may not be a case of tube vs. solid state, or something that a more powerful amp will fix. I've run my speakers happily with 5W-10W solid state amps (FirstWatt F1 and F2j) with low damping factor with great success. Very satisfying bass. And my Atma-sphere S-30 at 30W also delivers, but I think this again is more due to the low damping factor. Aleph 30, SS design providing 30W by the same designer of the F1 and F2J (Nelson Pass) did not work as well, due largely to the high damping factor which led to my speakers being overdamped. FWIW |
Actually for improved bass response, if you are considering the FirstWatt amps, I'd go for the F1, F1J, F2 or F2J. These are current source amps, which do not work with most speakers with crossovers, but I believe will work with the type of crossover the Lore employs (check with Lore & FirstWatt to confirm this!). But an advantage of current source amps is the greater extension in the low frequencies, in addition to the ability to customize this bass response by adding resistors at your speaker inputs.
(Must resist temptation to mention damping factor....Just see my above posts on it, since I have found that this can drastically affect the speaker's bass response). |
No problem here either. Too bad about the price going back to $1000. I called Eric not too long ago to see how long the $850 price would be happening and he told me it would be at that price for a good bit longer. Looks like he changed his mind on that. Too bad I didn't pull the trigger then. Was waiting to see more pics of the veneer options... |
Anyone in Chicago with Lores who wants to compare them to Zu Soul Superflys? |
Look forward to those comparisons with the Horn Shoppes (my other pair of speakers). |
Cwazz,
Tube amps can sound mighty different. Particular things to keep in mind with them are not only the tubes used but also whether there is negative feeback in the circuitry and the amp's damping factor. Too high a damping factor with designs like the Lores leads to overdamped bass. That may or may not be your problem, but I'd put it on the list of suspects. I loved the Aleph 30 in a DIY speaker of similar design to the Lore. But the damping factor was too high and this seriously impacted the quality and amount of bass I got compared to amps with lower damping factors. Of course there is also the worry of underdamping too, which leads to less controlled, boomier bass.
Might be the speaker, might be synergy with this mystery unnamed tube amp. |
