seems you can buy a new 509z for $8,500 plus shipping
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=LUXMAN+L-509Z&_sacat=0
used ones and other slightly older models (even new) are also listed below the 5 new Z models.
meanwhile, the earlier 505 are listed for $2,800 new, and there are several models in between.
I would research the model’s reviews, feature differences.
Power: it takes double the wpc to make a +3db increase in volume, so the difference in 505’s 100wpc and 509’s 120 wpc is insignificant.
I’m not pushing the 505, just using it for example, Personally I would buy the pair I found and jason liked
https://reverb.com/item/67940102-luxman-amp-pre-amp-m02-c02-1980-d-gray?gspk=SGlmaXNoYXJrLVJldmVyYg%3D%3D&utm_campaign=Hifishark-Reverb&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=partnerstack-legacy
hifiengine has manuals
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/luxman/c-02.shtml
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/luxman/m-02.shtml
here it is with the 3rd piece, tuner
https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649977063-luxman-m-02-t-02-c-02/
I'm very tempted, gonna measure if it fits downstairs, then sell my Yamaha CR-1020
btw, REVERB definitely supports the buyer, completely and quickly resolved two issues for me.
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Btbluesky…my goodness that’s a lot of power. Okay thanks
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James633…okay good to hear. In 1975 I went into an audio store and a salesperson was playing The Doobie Brothers “Listen to the music” on a high end system. I don’t remember the speakers…were they Cerwin Vega? Altec Lansing? Pioneer? Klipsch? JBL?
Whatever they were they had the best sound I ever heard…and that was 48 years ago. I want that sound.
I’m going to go listen to both. I hope, for price sake, I like the Klipsch better but will see.
The great Steve Hoffman has Klipsch as his reference speaker. But I will see! Thanks for all the advice
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Listening fatigue most commonly caused by distortion/compression, which occurred most frequently at (you guess it) the end of chain, your speakers, being the largest mechanical device that produce the actual sound. And the most common cause for distortion/compression in speakers is underpower (they do not get blown by tons of clean power)
This is the interview with the 4367 chief designer (as well as their 80k everest) Grep Timbers https://positive-feedback.com/interviews/greg-timbers-jbl/
He uses 4x Parasound JC1 (800w into 4ohm each) 1 for each woofer in his everest (tube for high). So lets say 4367 has 1 15" woofer, at least give it 400w high current power.
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Music direct often has open boxes of 4367s for around $10,000 give or take.
I will be interested to hear what you think of the Klispch and JBL back to back. I demoed the entire Klispch line (a friend owns the K-horns too) before buying the JBL blind. I focused mostly on the Cornwall IV as the la scale has terrible bass extension (I run subs with all my systems…). I thought the la scala has pretty strong box coloration but it was just a demo so don’t read into that too much.
The Cornwall on McIntosh gear (I also own and use Mac gear) left my ears super tired. As in more tired than they have ever been. I had to take a whole day off of from music to recover?!? Listening volume were low 90s based on my phone’s db meter. Not sure what that was about. The soundstage also shifted width with frequency which made it sound a little odd. I moved them all around the room in both demos at two different dealers. Where the JBLs are fatigue free at the same volume for me for hours on end.
The Klispch form memory has more colorations. The 4367 is less colored with a quieter box. I am sure the much better bass driver plays into it too. Where the JBL is heavy cast aluminum and the Klispch is thinly stamped steel. Up to you whether or not you hear that. Not to mention the duel motor in the JBL woofer is current tech. Then there is the high tech tweeter/mid in the JBL. I am not going to pretend to understand it. It is a two driver with ring diaphragms with no surround. Kind of like two big headphone drivers out of sennhizer… but they have the best highs I have ever heard. Totally smoked the beryllium tweeter in my Revels 228be for detail.
Anyway I am of the opinion the JBL is a class above the Klispch but it is 3 times the price and not 3 times better. If you have the money or can find a deal go forit.
https://www.jblsynthesis.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-masterCatalog_Harman/default/dwc07f5318/pdfs/JBL%20Synthesis%204367%20White%20Paper.pdf
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James633…yes I was looking at those. It’s $16000 price tag might be more than I’m willing to spend. We’ll see.
I’ll be comparing JBL and Klipsch at the same location! Can’t wait
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Btbluesky…okay thanks. The Luxman I’m looking at is the flagship L-509z which puts out 120W per channel into 8 ohms so it looks like that would work.
I'm fortunate to have an audio store 1-1/2 hours away that has both JBL and Klipsch. I’ll be listening to both. Thanks
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I can’t help with Luxman but don’t let anyone talk you out of the 4367. It is simply an amazing speaker. Never harsh or bright, super detailed in the bass, mids and outstanding in the highs. A really special speaker.
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I have the 4367, as well as experience eith other horns.
The sensitivity rating usually is: 1000hz test tone measure at 1 meter on axial. It tells you absolutely nothing about the actual sound coming out from the speakers. whether its coming out ok, or harsh.
Compression drivers need as much CLEAN power as possible to sound the best. Thats why JBL rates 4367 and other of their monitors 300w amplification (its on the manual). The tone/sound is completely different when it sings at its 100%. Where the clean power coming from is up to you, and of course personal taste and music types dictate the amp choice, but if you are push ur JBL w 10w of whatever, at least borrow someone good 100-300w amp and see the difference.
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I see. Luxman is also a Japanese product, so I wonder if Luxman is compatible with JBL or Klipsch as Accuphase might be. I’m keeping my eye out on this
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I hear that Naim gels nicely with those jbl’s, at least with the 4309’s...I’ll be running mine with a 5si...and nac a5 cables and nac a5 jumpers. In Japan, it is popular to run jbl with Accuphase.
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Thank you Bertram. I will look into these…although I was thinking of a new one.
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Ah yes thank you Elliott. I was thinking of getting a new Luxman…would that be good with a Klipsch or JBL speakers? I love the meters, knobs/switches and build quality of the Luxman. Should I get class A or would class A/B sound good as well? I don’t want class D amplification and thankfully it appears Luxman doesn’t do that
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The newish 595 is class A to 30 and the 70s 1120 is AB. A 507ux would also be a nice unit with the look amd power you want.
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Thank you Bertram. I imagine those are older models. Are they class A or A/B? I’m wondering what class amp would sound best with these vintage speakers. I’m considering Klipsch as well. Perhaps Forte IV’s
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I run a 595xii with the 4349s and really enjoy it, plenty of power for us and we will listen at loud levels. We also run the 1120 Luxman with the new Jbl classic 100s and really enjoy it as well. Great matches in my opinion.
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Kota1…I see. Very good point. I take care of my 90 yo mother, so my equipment is in my bedroom. Which is somewhat small, maybe average. But someday I will be bringing my system out into my living room which is considerably larger and quite open.
So I’m thinking I need to buy something that will best adapt to that larger space and have to compromise it’s possible booming sound in my bedroom for awhile.
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Jason Bourne thank you, but I’m definitely wanting to get an integrated from some brand. I just love the vintage look and quality build of the Luxmans…the knobs, switches, etc…but if it isn’t a good match then I suppose I would have to consider something else.
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@easola01
So the JBL Synthesis 4367 with a 15” woofer wouldn’t be as good as the classic series?
The question isn’t which is better, the question is which can you return after an audition. The "better" part is subjective, your bank balance is objective. Make sure your choice fits what you prefer. I have a JBL system setup in the man cave with the Studio 2 series. I LOVE the way the 230 book shelfs present in that room, 6 inch drivers that go so loud the neighbors complain. The 15 inch drivers in that room would probably have the fire department at my door. I did audition the Studio 3 active versions which are praised morning noon and night but were too bright for my taste compared to the 230’s. I bought them right from the JBL website which DOES offer 30 day auditions with FREE shipping both ways if you return them. The 230's sounded good with my Parasound Zamp with 40 watts but when I drove them with 80 watts of Bob Carver magic the soundstage blew out from wall to wall, floor to ceiling. I would have NEVER known this from a chat room. You gotta get em in your space, with your amp, your music, and let the music play. If it don’t ring your bell, send them back.
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For $1100 the pair of Luxman M02/C02 amp/preamp pair is a bargain that the OP should jump on! I have the C02 in my collection of preamps. It is a quality piece!
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Hello Elliot. The JBL 4367 has a sensitivity of 94db. No I’m looking to get a Luxman…I love the knobs/meters/switches and it’s a quality brand. It’s an analog system so I’m hoping it will match a vintage style speaker well. Thank you for the links I will look at them
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Thank you Kota. So the JBL Synthesis 4367 with a 15” woofer wouldn’t be as good as the classic series?
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OP
kota1 is giving you excellent advice.
the issue will be enough power for the speaker model you choose.
do you have an existing Luxman or intend on getting one?
My little Luxman, tubes, 10wpc is as reviewed, has reserve power beyond it’s conservative rating, plenty for my office system.
some classic jbl’s are low sensitivity, i.e. 85db, you would be better off trying for a model with higher sensitivity, some are 90db, needing less power for the same volume output than 85db
Bass, instantaneous spikes of dynamics, more power is needed.
High sensitivity makes it easier to try tubes.
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Order one of the new Classic JBL speakers from a dealer that has a return policy (like crutchfield), Do NOT get a speaker you can't return.
https://www.jbl.com/classic-series/
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